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The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About The Obama Administration

1 posted on 02/04/2012 10:26:02 AM PST by bkopto
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To: bkopto

First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I was Protestant.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


2 posted on 02/04/2012 10:27:52 AM PST by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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This is just the beginning.

I’ve long predicted that chaplains in the military are an endangered species.

Just wait till some chaplain speaks the Biblical truth about homosexuality.

They will have to choice either their faith or their career.


3 posted on 02/04/2012 10:29:07 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: bkopto

Oh joy, a new Commandment: “Thou Shalt Not Commit Integrity.”


4 posted on 02/04/2012 10:29:57 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: bkopto

not really a surprise anymore.


5 posted on 02/04/2012 10:30:04 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: bkopto

It is the military and they are military officers and there have always restrictions on speaking specifically against an administration under normal circumstances. This does not prohibit speaking against certain “general” practices such as abortion as being antithetical to church beliefs as long as it is couched in religious and ethical terms and is not specific to a policy or policymaker.


6 posted on 02/04/2012 10:32:39 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: bkopto
New Commandment

Thou Shalt Have No God Obave Me

8 posted on 02/04/2012 10:33:41 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: bkopto

This is why the commie lib “progressives” have been working so hard to remove religious people from the military. Bring on the wiccans, atheists, homosexuals and other assorted freaks. The military is headed down the same road that Hollywood, the national media and our educational institutions went.


11 posted on 02/04/2012 10:36:03 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (So just where does the "buck stop" at the Department of "Justice"?)
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To: bkopto
First they came for the communists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak out because I was Protestant.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.


13 posted on 02/04/2012 10:39:55 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: bkopto
The letter also tries to clarify to priests that the Archbishop's letter "concerns a moral, not a political issue."

If the Administration makes the issue a law, then it IS a political issue. At some point, if this keeps up, we who side with freedom, liberty, God, and the Individual will HAVE to break the law, just as those who fought for civil rights in the past.

15 posted on 02/04/2012 10:45:26 AM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: bkopto

One cut at a time makes for a slow death of a country.


18 posted on 02/04/2012 10:49:07 AM PST by Vaduz
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Granted I'm only a four-year guy but I seem to remember that there was some leeway when not in uniform. The letter is to be read at the end of Mass. Therefore, he is not in uniform but wearing the stole. Am I stretching or is this an out for the Chaplains?
19 posted on 02/04/2012 10:57:48 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: bkopto

Render unto Caesar . . .

Yes, but our Declaration made clear that Life - including the Life of an unborn child- is not to be Caesar’s.

I hope Catholic priests and lay soldiers, and other Christians, and people of all true faiths, leave the military altogether in protest. They will not, though. They will not even make a peep - they’d rather live in the Gilded Cage of their precious security clearances and their upcoming pensions, than act on their conscience.

As for the “national security” we will lose if they do all leave, it has been a charade since WWII anyway - a concerted effort by Globalists within and without our borders to have our blood and treasure and sovereignty spilled in absurd, hopeless “conflicts” in Third World hell holes of limited importance, while doing nothing of consequence to protect our southern border from invasion, nor address the Islamic danger steadily infiltrating our society and government and military.

We live again in the days of tyrants and traitors.


20 posted on 02/04/2012 10:58:13 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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James Madison wrote in Detached Memoranda:

Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U.S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law appointing Chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them; and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does not this involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a provision for a religious worship for the Constituent as well as of the representative Body, approved by the majority, and conducted by Ministers of religion paid by the entire nation.

The establishment of the chaplainship to Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles: The tenets of the chaplains elected [by the majority] shut the door of worship against the members whose creeds and consciences forbid a participation in that of the majority. To say nothing of other sects, this is the case with that of Roman Catholics and Quakers who have always had members in one or both of the Legislative branches. Could a Catholic clergyman ever hope to be appointed a Chaplain? To say that his religious principles are obnoxious or that his sect is small, is to lift the veil at once and exhibit in its naked deformity the doctrine that religious truth is to be tested by numbers, or that the major sects have a right to govern the minor.

If Religion consist in voluntary acts of individuals, singly, or voluntarily associated, and it be proper that public functionaries, as well as their Constituents should discharge their religious duties, let them like their Constituents, do so at their own expense. How small a contribution from each member of Congress would suffice for the purpose? How just would it be in its principle? How noble in its exemplary sacrifice to the genius of the Constitution; and the divine right of conscience? Why should the expense of a religious worship be allowed for the Legislature, be paid by the public, more than that for the Executive or judiciary branch of the Government. ...


21 posted on 02/04/2012 11:00:06 AM PST by tumblindice
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If there’s an exception to buying the insurance in Sharia law, all the Catholics have to do is adopt Sharia law and they’re good to go.


30 posted on 02/04/2012 11:29:23 AM PST by gusopol3
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“good order and discipline” muzzles military priests.


32 posted on 02/04/2012 11:36:42 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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The Military Is Now Still Telling Catholic Chaplains Military Members (Including Chaplains, Catholic or Otherwise) What They Can And Can't Say About The Obama Administration, The Congress, The Chain of Command, etc.

UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE:

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

33 posted on 02/04/2012 11:40:51 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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From the above article it appears that such a directive was given, that it is not just rumor or hearsay:

Archbishop Broglio and the Archdiocese stand firm in the belief, based on legal precedent, that such a directive from the Army constituted a violation of his Constitutionally-protected right of free speech and the free exercise of religion, as well as those same rights of all military chaplains and their congregants.

Following a discussion between Archbishop Broglio and the Secretary of the Army, The Honorable John McHugh, it was agreed that it was a mistake to stop the reading of the Archbishop's letter. Additionally, the line: "We cannot-we will not-comply with this unjust law" was removed by Archbishop Broglio at the suggestion of Secretary McHugh over the concern that it could potentially be misunderstood as a call to civil disobedience.

First, this is an attack on the legitimacy of the Chaplain Corps itself, for, if they don't represent a real live denomination, then they represent the US government, and there is no such constitutional religion.

Second, the Chief of Chaplains went along with Obama, and in some frame of mind (drugged or drunken?) thought it "wise" to instruct chaplains to the ignore the doctrine and beliefs of HIS OWN church (Rutherford's also a Roman Catholic), a move that puts those chaplains at odds with their very reason for being in the chaplaincy in the first place...to be a fully ordained representative of their denomination to the military.

Third, one hopes the chief had some strategery in mind that missed the eye, because otherwise he deserves a dunce cap.

34 posted on 02/04/2012 11:46:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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From the article :

Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter. But after he did, the Army's Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.

What if the CIC is seditious??????? Where then do the oaths all (Congress, Judges, and the military) have taken come from theory to action.
IMHO this President needs to Articles of impeachment filled in the House. I understend it will never get by the Senate but the MSM would HAVE to cover it !!!
Time the Repubs get a pair !!

35 posted on 02/04/2012 11:48:59 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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They need to sue under the Equal Protection clause. Muslims are being exempted from this Obamacare business, and so should he rest of us.

Bigoted bastards.


39 posted on 02/04/2012 12:09:15 PM PST by Humble Servant
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