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This is the kind of advice the "experts" used to tell people in the event of a hijacking.

How did that advice work out on 9-11?

Always fight back! The sooner the better! Don't let anyone tell you that you should just lay down and take it.

1 posted on 02/03/2012 6:59:50 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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Your??

Really?


2 posted on 02/03/2012 7:03:41 PM PST by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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Did I miss the part where it said, “Pull out your concealed weapon and fire it at the center mass of your kidnapper?”


3 posted on 02/03/2012 7:04:12 PM PST by HIDEK6
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I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.


4 posted on 02/03/2012 7:04:49 PM PST by wastedyears (Not too long you devious little parathyroid. Soon I'll be rid of you and I'll be free.)
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Screw that.

Better to die right there, which probably won't happen because kidnappers are cowards. If things don't go their way, they will scurry off like rats.

5 posted on 02/03/2012 7:06:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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“Do not resist, do your best to maintain your composure. If it is kidnapping for ransom, chances are good you’ll at some point, you’ll be exchanged,”

My S&W 500 begs to differ.


6 posted on 02/03/2012 7:07:53 PM PST by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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Yeah, it seems that no hostile situation ever gets better the longer it goes one. Nip it in the bud.


8 posted on 02/03/2012 7:09:32 PM PST by rabidralph
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People who give you that kind of advice are those “authorities” with a vested interest in maintaining a complete monopoly over defensive force. They are a pestilence on society, what they promote brought us 9-11 and made a Connecticut doctor into a traumatized, childless widower. May God have mercy on them.


9 posted on 02/03/2012 7:10:15 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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Daniel Karson is wrong.
You don't want to be taken to Crime Scene #2.
11 posted on 02/03/2012 7:11:14 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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“First, he says, don’t dress like an American. “Lose the baseball cap. If you are wearing jeans, a sweat shirt with the name of an American college on it and Nike sneakers, you’re advertising yourself as a Westerner.”
Karson advises to travel in large groups, don’t go off the beaten path and hire a reputable local guide who speaks the local language and, if needed, can negotiate on your behalf. And he says, no matter where you go, never leave home without a flashlight, GPS phone, and if you have a medical condition, a supply of your prescription drugs. Leave another supply of your prescription drugs secured in your hotel room along with a copy of your passport.”

Or, don’t go to countries with a large Muslim population.


13 posted on 02/03/2012 7:15:26 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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Have you ever read
The Ransom of Red Chief?”


14 posted on 02/03/2012 7:15:55 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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I’m with the rest of the survivors here.

Kill them then dial 911 and ask to be transferred to the cleanup dept.


17 posted on 02/03/2012 7:22:08 PM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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Carry firearm..... Kill kidnappers.

Empty their wallets of any Federal Reserve Notes that may be there, and then call the police.


25 posted on 02/03/2012 8:22:33 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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Eat like a hog. Fat people are harder to kidnap!


28 posted on 02/03/2012 8:43:09 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Just because someone thinks it's a good idea doesn't make it legal.)
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I was taught in my conceal and carry class that if someone is trying to kidnap you, a women, start screaming the worse obscenities you can think of. As loud as you can, cuss like a barroom tramp. He said men who kidnap woman usually look for the quiet submissive woman and that’s why he chose you. He said forget your a Christian, and raise hell, God will understand. I learned a lot in that class. The teacher was an retired attorney turned minister turned gun collector/firearm trainer...what a guy. He also said never get into a car, fight, run, do whatever because once your in the car your chances of getting away safely are low.


29 posted on 02/03/2012 9:07:03 PM PST by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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I cannot imagine more foolish advice. Go ballistic. Scream, scratch (tissue samples for later whether you’re alive or dead), kick, bite, and if you happen to be armed, take as many of the bastards with you as you possibly can. There are no benign kidnappings except in the movies. They will do things to you to encourage the ransom payment if that’s even what they’re after, which you will not know from the outset. They will cut off bits of you and send them home in little boxes. They will kill you to prevent a witness. Never, never, NEVER cooperate!


30 posted on 02/03/2012 9:23:12 PM PST by Billthedrill
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Daniel Karson, chairman of business intelligence and investigations at the security firm Kroll, says if you are abducted it’s important to remain calm and do as your kidnappers say.

“Do not resist, do your best to maintain your composure. If it is kidnapping for ransom, chances are good you’ll at some point, you’ll be exchanged,” he says.

What a stupid dumb ass liberal.... typical advice for those who will always opt for appeasement & capitulation and most likely death if you follow this stupid advice. Instead one should scream, holler, fight back, die fighting rather than tied up and beheaded or shot in the head while being forced to kneel in a position of subjection.

Liberals are so mentally retarded with twisted cockeyed values, that they believe it is somehow morally superior for a young lady to be raped & strangled with her own panty hose, rather than defending herself with a concealed weapon against her scumbag assailant, who deserves to die anyway.

31 posted on 02/03/2012 9:26:53 PM PST by rcrngroup
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I know I read somewhere I can’t remember that if you are a child or woman and a man grabs you and puts you in his car, you have a much higher percentage of surviving if you grab the steering wheel and cause a head on collision then you do by sitting quietly and hoping he’ll let you go after he does what he’s going to do. Fight all the way.


33 posted on 02/03/2012 10:30:02 PM PST by MacMattico
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The location where the kidnapper has the least amount of control or power is at the very beginning. Scream FIRE, fight, bite, kick, with every ounce of energy you have. If that doesn't work or you expend all of your energy, become dead weight. It is very hard for just one person to carry or drag another. All of these things consume time. The perp had wanted this to go quietly and most of all QUICKLY. They want to move from the initial location immediately, if this doesn't go as planned they will panic and flee.

Oh, you might get shot or stabbed you say? If you go with them you are very likely dead anyway. If you are going to be injured, it's better if you are somewhere familiar to you where help is readily available, instead of in some remote location miles from help if you knew which way to go.

NEVER go WILLINGLY. Make them pay, then make them carry you, kicking and screaming (literally).

36 posted on 02/04/2012 12:27:32 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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It really depends on the situation, but if it’s a small-timer (or even several people) carjacking you in a public place, NEVER, EVER, go with them. In general they will give up on you if you fight them loud and hard. If not, they’ll kill you there, which is still better than what they had in store for you.


39 posted on 02/04/2012 2:26:32 AM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Newt will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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First off, very few kidnapped people are told up front, “Easy now, we’re just going to hold you for ransom.”

Kidnappings happen in violent ways by being snatched. Nearly every person snatched is later killed.

Fight back immediately and violently. Kill the SOBs. Picture them dead in their own pools of blood. Picture them slaughtered in a mass of unrecognizable blood and guts. Then make it happen, immediately. Not later. Not in a few seconds. Not one there is an “opportunity”. Every millisecond means they have an advantage. Kill them, kill them NOW!

I used to teach self defense to women. I start the first class by grabbing on from behind. I then ask her what she imagined, and everyone imagines the bad guy on top of her raping her. I have to change that for them. They instead need to imagine the bad guy dead with his blood all over the place because she raged on his ass. She shot him, knifed him, poked his eyes out, ripped off his lips, and stabbed him repeatedly, slit his throat, whatever violence it takes for him to be dead right there right now.

Kidnap victims, same thing. Whatever violence it takes.


46 posted on 02/04/2012 8:59:23 AM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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