I have been lurking on this “birther” issue since mid 2008 - back when Chief Engineer and others were championing the issue. So I have seen a great deal of discussion and info. But until I saw the video from Vogt, the weight of this issue did not fully impact me.
And after sleeping on this, I have come to some interesting conclusions. Perhaps others on this thread have also considered these ideas, so I wanted to get your feedback.
If Obama DID steal Virginia Sunhara’s BC number (as Vogt suggests), that means he had no Hawaiian BC number of his own. Which also means he was NOT born in Hawaii. Theories have been thrown around that his father may be FND or that Stanley’s father was the actual father, etc. But all this is irrelevant if he was not born in Hawaii. So where was he born? If he was born in the US, why would all this cloak and dagger be necessary? We don’t even have proof of when he was born - he could be a couple years older/younger!!
And as Vogt has mentioned, if this truth ever comes to bear, there will be convictions of TREASON which we all know has a very bad outcome. I therefore believe that all the efforts to remove Obama from the ballot based on a father who was not a citizen is a side track. Perhaps it is valid law and can properly be argued. And perhaps many of the people who pursue this are well-meaning. But this now becomes a “legitimate” option for Obama to be removed from office. It may even be that Obama’s own people are encouraging this effort.
One case-in-point is the way in which Jablonski ridiculed Orly but said nothing about the other cases that were put forth in the hearing? Why is that? Could it be that the Orly case is the only one that they truly fear? The only case that includes offenses that are punishable by death?
There are so many high profile people now involved in this scam that the web has become very tangled (Pelosi, Obama, Holder, DNC, etc.). I even wonder how many people here on FR are attempting to stray us from the false COLB issue. We know there are a good deal of Obama operatives on this thread and some are quite hard to weed out. I have seen a big trend on the “birther” threads to lead the discussion towards the non-citizen parent accusation - that is supposedly the REAL issue. But after viewing the Vogt interview, I’m not so sure....
You summary is correct. Some of us "birthers" have been lead to believe that the BC issue is a sideshow, not going anywhere, it's the NBC issue you need to focus on, he was born in HI, look at the newspaper announcements, bla bla bla. It's also kind of funny watching the other plaintiffs in this GA challenge distance themselves from Orly.
Orly has been on the BC all along because she believes he was not born in the US. And that makes total sense. He has a fake ID! No records of BHOII anywhere, stolen SSN, forged SS application, photoshopped family pictures, on and on. IF "one" was born in the US of A "one" wouldn't need all these fake documents.
The question is "Who is he and WHO sent him."
Soviet Acknowledged Obama One of Them
When we look at his actions we can clearly see he purposely destroying our nation. We also have to understand that this fight is not going to end in a court of law. When he they realize they have been outed he they will do something drastic. You don't get this close to destroying the United States of America to go off into the sunset quietly.
You might have earned yourself the distinction of being the longest-term-lurker on FR...how you could hold back that long from making a comment intruiges me; however, methinks you have reached the right and obvious conclusions.
Why? Because your conclusions are the same as mine.
It all comes down to: who is this person, who were his parents, where was he born?
To argue citizenship without answers to the above is truly placing the cart before the horse, and pleasing to the perpetrators of this massive fraud.