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Is this video out of context? I wanted to think Santorum was a traditional conservative option, but the things he says in this spell big government. Am I understanding this wrong?
1 posted on 01/20/2012 8:49:27 AM PST by Jay777
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The small government conservatives were driven out of the race early but as things stand now I’ll take santorum.

Newt is portrayed as a small government conservative but his solutions all seem to include government/taxpayer dollars. He says he will abolish the EPA but wants to replace it with an Environmental Solutions Agency which will “incentivze” energy and things like flex fuel vehicles. If they need incentives to survive, they’re free market failures.

He says he will defund planned Parenthood and give the money to adoption services. I don’t want to fund planned parenthood but I don’t want to be forced to fund adoption either What’s next? Are we going to defund the department of education and give the money to private schools?

To me, small government means leaving more money in the private sector, not taxpayer funding of things I like.


2 posted on 01/20/2012 8:54:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Well, in that case i guess i am not a traditional conservative. i have said Rick Perry Bauchman, or Herman Cain all along and still say it.


3 posted on 01/20/2012 8:55:10 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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This was the theme of his book. I had thought he had put it away for the campaign as it totally alienates the libertarian (small l) Republicans but I guess he must see some loss of his core base must be moving to Newt and thinks that this will somehow slow the flow.


4 posted on 01/20/2012 8:55:52 AM PST by The Free Engineer
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“a traditional conservative option, but the things he says in this spell big government”
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seems like all kinda folks wanna clim aboard the “con” bandwagon...like i say, all kinda folks...

;)

Semper Watching!
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5 posted on 01/20/2012 8:56:05 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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It depends.

If you believe prostitution, polygamy, gay marriage, abortion, and drug use should be legal, then you agree with the libertarians.

If you disagree with any of that, then you agree with Santorum - to some degree.

His argument here rejects the libertarian philosophy but does not specifiy his position in the other direction.

6 posted on 01/20/2012 8:56:53 AM PST by Crichton
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I have been hard on Newton(and obviously ROmney) so I better say that Ricky Santorum is a socialist pure and simple. he believes and votes for government in the trillions.

We need to find someone outside of Washington, outside of politics and we need to get them to run. THERE IS STILL TIME.

If these four are our choices then what is the point of the GOP??? Our bench is 25 million deep. Lets go find a statesman Patriot.


7 posted on 01/20/2012 8:58:26 AM PST by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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A couple nights ago one of the people on Coast to Coast said that Sanatorium laughed at the prospect of someone arrested under NDAA demanding to see a lawyer.

He wanted to see that expression on their face when the law was 'splained to them...

Didn't get a source, or recall the guest, sorry.

10 posted on 01/20/2012 9:01:19 AM PST by null and void (Day 1095 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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Santorum is right.


12 posted on 01/20/2012 9:01:56 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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There’s a segment of society throughout human history that thinks they need to force their will upon the public. Rick Santorum belongs to this segment of the population (all politicians today do, or no less than 999/1000). The idea that you can force someone to do what you think is right is inherently evil. I believe it was summed up most simply by:

“And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”

In Jesus’ example, both people have an issue. But the one that’s going to “help” has the bigger issue, I submit it’s precisely because he’s too worried about regulating the actions of others. Typical Pharisitical behavior. Rick Santorum blows his own trumpet so much, he fails to realize why he’s wrong. Our nation is founded upon freedom. Not forcedom. He want’s forcedom, and that’s why the population at large will never support him. His own nephew summed it up in a tidy fashion: “He doesn’t think that freedom works.”


13 posted on 01/20/2012 9:02:33 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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Rick Santorum appears to be a traditional Republican in that he really does not mind big, bloated government at all so long as it does what HE wants it to do.


14 posted on 01/20/2012 9:03:01 AM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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“There is no such society that I’m aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”

Rick, I think it was called “Revolutionary America” circa 1776, or so. It gave birth to a country called the United States.


17 posted on 01/20/2012 9:05:11 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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That's where a record comes in. Not just the record of votes, which is often a meaningless toll of positions taken for political reasons on bills that were always going to pass or were never going to pass, but a record of actions taken that actually mattered.

A record of actions taken that actually mattered.  Newt is the man who fits that description to a "T".

He can identify what is most important to the country, develop a plan to overcome that challenge, articulate the the merits of overcoming the challenge and why the plan will work.

I hadn't been for Gingrich initially and spent plenty of energy excoriating him, these last several years, for any number of sins he committed against the Republican/Conservative ideals.  He seemed a turncoat of sorts, particularly when he babysat Pelosi on the couch.

On reflection, Newt is an attention whore seeking relevancy for his ideas and I guess I take him at his word that he made a few mistakes in his life and he has at least some regret for those decisions.  God knows I am no angel and so I have to reflect on the man's ability to get things done.

Newt gave us the Republican majority, the Contract with America and completed 2/3rds of his agenda while in office.

He now has a new plan for America and with what is likely to become a Congressional Super Majority and a Senate Majority, if not Super Majority, I believe he will absolutely accomplish his agenda.

Say goodbye to ObamaCare the single biggest scam and travesty foisted upon a free people who, by right, ought to have been given the opportunity to read the bill and debate it.  Instead, a win at all cost, cheating agenda was developed and it was signed with most people never laying eyes on at least page 2 of this utopian dreck.

Executive Orders Positions:

The following are all within the executive powers to simply order and with the exception of securing the border within one year, they are all easily accomplished with the stroke of a pen and no way to challenge them in the legislature.

Keystone may be challenged in the courts but I think the Executive can order the EPA to approve, under National Security Priorities and it is a National Security issue, as well, a jobs issue.

As President, Newt, could actually have a very busy 1st week or month just on these initiative alone.

1. Eliminate the thirty-nine White House "Czar" positions created during the current administration. The president does not have the authority to appoint bureaucrats to power who are not accountable to the Congress.

2. "Mexico City Policy" of Respect for Life. Reauthorize President Ronald Reagan’s policy – also known as the "Mexico City Policy"— to stop tax payer dollars from being used to fund or promote abortions in foreign countries.

3. Restore conscience clause protections for Healthcare Workers.No American working in a medical environment should be forced to perform any procedure that he or she finds morally or ethically objectionable based on religious teaching. This protection should include, but not be limited to abortion. Existing conscience clause protections need to be strengthened.

4. Respect Each Sovereign Nation’s Choice of its Capital. Each sovereign nation, under international law and custom, may designate its own Capital. Accordingly, the U.S. State Department should be instructed to respect the choice of each sovereign nation and place the American embassy in their Capital.  (Israel is the only country the United States discriminates against in this regard. The people of Israel have designated Jerusalem as their capital. Yet the United States retains its embassy in Tel Aviv.) 

5. End the Attorney General's Assault on the States. Instruct the Attorney General to withdraw all immigration-related lawsuits against states immediately, including those pending in Arizona and South Carolina. The Obama Administration refuses to enforce federal immigration laws, and instead sues states who are merely trying to enforce the laws that the federal government neglects. The Gingrich Administration will secure the border by Jan. 1, 2014 by any means necessary. 

6. The Keystone Pipeline

Unleash American Energy by Approving the Keystone XL Pipeline. Instruct the State Department to approve a Presidential Permit immediately for the Keystone XL pipeline, a project that will send 700,000 barrels of oil a day from Great Plains and Southwestern states to Gulf Coast refineries lower staggering energy prices, and create up to 120,000 American jobs.

LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS

 Now we get into the details of an inclusive agenda that brings the people(you and me), through their representatives, into process.  The TEA Party and conservatives are going to have a majority in both houses.

Let’s elect an Executive who will absolutely fulfill the promise of our ideals.

Executive Summary

  1. Repeal Obamacare and pass a replacement that saves lives and money by empowering patients and doctors, not bureaucrats and politicians.
  2. Return to robust job creation with a bold set of tax cuts and regulatory reforms that will free American entrepreneurs to invest and hire, as well as by reforming the Federal Reserve and creating a training requirement for extended federal unemployment benefits to encourage work and improve the quality of our workforce.
  3. Unleash America’s full energy production potential in oil, natural gas, coal, biofuels, wind, nuclear oil shale and more, creating jobs,  stimulating a sustainable manufacturing boom, lowering gasoline and other energy prices, increasing government revenues, and bolstering national security.
  4. Save Medicare and Social Security by giving Americans more choices and tools to live longer, healthier lives with greater financial independence.
  5. Balance the federal budget by freeing job-creators to grow the economy, reforming entitlements, and implementing waste cutting and productivity improvement systems such as Lean Six Sigma to eliminate waste and fraud. Pass a balanced budget amendment to keep it balanced.
  6. Control the border by January 1, 2014 and establish English as the official language of government; reform the legal visa system, and make it much easier to deport criminals and gang members while making it easier for law abiding visitors to come to the US.
  7. Revitalize our national security system to meet 21st century threats by restructuring and adequately funding our security agencies to function within a grand strategy for victory over those who seek to kill us or limit American power.
  8. Maximize the speed and impact of medical breakthroughs by removing unnecessary obstacles that block new treatments from reaching patients and emphasizing research spending towards urgent national priorities, like brain science with its impact on Alzheimer’s, autism, Parkinson's, mental health and other conditions knowledge of the brain will help solve. 
  9. Restore the proper role of the judicial branch by using the clearly delineated powers available to the president and Congress to correct, limit, or replace judges who violate the Constitution.
  10. Enforce the Tenth Amendment by starting an orderly transfer of power and responsibility from the federal government back “to the states, respectively, or to the people,” as the Constitution requires. Over the next year, state and local officials and citizens will be asked to identify the areas which can be transferred back home.    

Newt gave us the three most important victories of the 90’s Welfare Reform, Balanced Budget and Reduced Taxes.  I hope I don’t need to describe the benefits of those victories.  They ought to be obvious to everyone by now.

Lastly, there have been some reports that Newt shouldn’t get all the credit.  Really?  Then perhaps we marginalize the accomplishments of Washington, Roosevelt, Kennedy and ….wait for it… Reagan.

Do we really want to go down the road with that kind of adolescent sophistry and parsing of what happened?

Newt is the guy who thought of these big things, proposed them and shepherded their implementation?

Newt has once again identified what is important to us now, at this time and described how we can get there with our representative majorities. He has done it before and I declare Newt Gingrich was then and is Now a leader.

We should elect Newt Gingrich to the Presidency of the United States

25 posted on 01/20/2012 9:10:27 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues

A permissive morality is a victory for the secular humanism and postmodernism worldviews.The ultimate goal of secular humanism and postmodernism is statism and socialism.

28 posted on 01/20/2012 9:13:32 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Santorum needs to put his ego aside, place his country before himself, drop out and go back to wherever he came from.

Rick Perry is twice the Conservative Santorum is!
He deserves the VP slot.

Since 2000 he has led the second largest state in the union on to be the most successful economically.

Perry stated that in his administration he would start all countries getting U.S. foreign aid at ZERO, until they proved to be our allies.

He was also the first to bring the war on religion to the forefront.

Take a look at RINO Santorum’s voting record:

Santorum:

Voted AGAINST increasing the number of immigration investigators:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00201

VOTED AGAINST HIRING AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 BORDER PATROL AGENTS, paid for by reductions in state grants.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00179

VOTED TO GIVE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00058

Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00154

SANTORUM: Trim Social Security now- even if painful.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7O34Bpp42k-IlMMNiOLBkYF2zNw?docId=b1cff9ecefe24ca6ae1764a09761e361

VOTED AGAINST FOOD STAMP REFORM
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00353

VOTED AGAINST MEDICAID REFORM
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00352

Voted to increase the social services block grant from $1 BILLION to $2 BILLION
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00302

VOTED TO RAID SOCIAL SECURITY instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00056

Voted to impose a uniform federal tax mandate on states to force them to allow convicted , rapists, arsonists drug kingpins and all other ex-convicts to vote in federal elections.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00031

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Santorum; Big government spender:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt6XCZz2X1Y&feature=player_embedded

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087812/Rick-Santorums

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44 posted on 01/20/2012 9:29:54 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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So much for him.


60 posted on 01/20/2012 10:04:33 AM PST by yup2394871293
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Conservative Reasons to vote for Santorum

1: Arlen Spector supporter
2: Voted to Raise the Debt Ceiling 5 Times
3: Voted FOR No Child Left Alone

http://www.uhuh.com/education/noamer.htm

If This is what being a Conservative means, we’re Going to get stuck with 4 more years of Zero.

Excuse me, but the thought of voting for this jerk has me running for the Pepto.


62 posted on 01/20/2012 10:07:22 AM PST by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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Oh BTW Rick, have you read about the size of the national debt lately? Any new ideas about the drug war? Improving US competitiveness? Any plans to prevent a future budget blowout because of healthcare, social security, student loans? You got any special plans to turn all these problems around?

No? I didn't think you did. See ya.
63 posted on 01/20/2012 10:11:10 AM PST by yup2394871293
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I only want the government to:
build interstate highways, aircraft carriers, and inspect food coming into the country. Maybe a hand full of other things; but not many.
71 posted on 01/20/2012 11:03:39 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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Rick Santorum is a collectivist big government statist for sure:
"This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone." [Source]

"What was my vision? I came to the uncomfortable realization that conservatives were not only reluctant to spend government dollars on the poor, they hadn’t even thought much about what might work better. I often describe my conservative colleagues during this time as simply ‘cheap liberals.’ My own economically modest personal background and my faith had taught me to care for those who are less fortunate, but I too had not yet given much thought to the proper role of government in this mission." –Rick Santorum, p. IX It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good (2005)

"I suspect some will dismiss my ideas as just an extended version of ‘compassionate conservatism.’ Some will reject what I have said as a kind of ‘Big Government Conservatism.’ Some will say that what I’ve tried to argue isn’t conservatism at all. But I believe what I’ve been presenting is the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned. One that fosters the opportunity for all Americans to live as we are called to live, in selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good." –Rick Santorum, p. 421 It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good (2005)

"If you're a conservative, there really is only one place to go right now. I would even argue farther than that. If you're a Republican, if you're a Republican in the broadest sense, there is only one place to go right now and that's Mitt Romney." –Rick Santorum, 02/1/2008 [source]

73 posted on 01/20/2012 11:09:30 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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A friend of mine classifies Santorum as a Christian Democrat in the European sense. I tend to agree. I have also had my fill of “compassionate conservatism”, which has led us to this place.


74 posted on 01/20/2012 11:15:05 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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