Posted on 01/18/2012 11:37:11 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
‘Iran stealth subs could lie in wait to hunt hostile aircraft carriers’
TEHRAN – The deputy commander of the Armed Forces has said that Iranian stealth submarines are able to lie in wait in the Persian Gulf to target hostile aircraft carriers that are moving near them.
“If an ordinary submarine submerges in the Persian Gulf, it could be the worst threat to the enemy. It is one of the Americans’ fears because our submarines are covered with coatings that do not allow sound to travel through them and do not reflect sound waves sent by (enemy vessels’) sonar systems,” Rear Admiral Farhad Amiri said in an interview with the Fars News Agency published on Wednesday.
“When the submarine lies on the sea bed, it can easily target an aircraft carrier that is passing nearby,” he said.
Amiri also said that the enemy is not able to track Iranian submarines.
“Our submarines have acquired the ability to position themselves at (the proper) depth to watch enemy ships and submarines in a way that could not be seen by them,” he explained.
Iran plans to launch new 500-ton submarine
Amiri also announced that the domestically manufactured 500-ton Fateh (Conqueror) submarine will be launched during the next Iranian calendar year, which starts on March 20.
He added that the medium-sized submarine is equipped with most advanced torpedoes and sonar systems.
This reminds me of the Libyan line of death and a Libyan submarine that radioed the beach to say they were diving, waited 20 minutes or so on the surface, and then reported they had resurfaced - all watched and heard by our navy air folks. They were too scared to submerge for fear of never coming back up.
That being said let them sit in their shallow pond while our P-3s locate them with MAD gear and then drop sonobouys all around to ping the living crap out of em - then see if they stick around to light anything off. hmph - plus being diesel they’ll have to surface periodically for crew air.
I will give them that at 500 tons it’s a fairly small boat and harder to ‘see’. Ours tend to be 6000 tons or better as I recall.
It's the only thing they understand. Wanting to talk is weakness. I nice STFU backhand will work wonders.
Our hunter/killers can indeed detect them ...lol ;-)
I have co-workers who worked in interdiction in conjunction with the USN years ago. The detection technology onboard modern US Navy submarines sounds like far-fetched sci-fi, but is quite real. Not only can they hear small craft and subs, but they can identify specific vessels by sound characteristics.
It’s likely that if Iran has any subs in the area, the USN already knows where, what kind and how many - and has its own subs shadowing.
Is there a submarine ping list? If so, why aren’t I on it? If not why not? There’s enough bubbleheads running around here to man a squadron.
There were always certain unambiguous signs that the Soviets would have given a few days prior to initiating hostilities (WW3). One of them would have been to sortie vast portion their submarine fleet so that they would not be bombed while laying dockside. This is one reason that naval maneuvers were always announced and watched by all navies.
I expect that our aircraft carriers will depart the area until such time as their subs, with their limited endurance, return to base to get plastered by the USAF. Then the carriers will return in a big way. Until that time the USN will keep the carriers at a distance, providing air cover for the surface combatant vessels patrolling the strait. I also expect that our SSN’s will pick off a few using methods not discussed in public forums such as this.
They don’t need the subs to take out the supertankers. Simple sea mines would be more cost effective. As such, best use of the Kilos might be as undersea minelayers. Sew a minefield across the strait & ‘declare the strait closed’.
I expect that the Iranians understand that the Kilo’s would be ‘toast’ once this happens, so they’ll push them out into the Indian Ocean to hunt the carriers. They probably won’t survive long due to crew proficiency, but the fear-factor to the US CVBG’s would be disproportionate.
....just tune the sonar to islamic chanting 5 times a day....(times listed in local newspaper).....fire /depthcharge at sound....end of problem.
....Captain to fire control officer......”wait till the end of the chanting ...and you will hear a clear “death to America”......then push the firing button.”
It's no secret. Everyone knows you convince the captain to defect then fake a nuclear accident to get the crew off.
Is there a submarine ping list?I would guess not, since the last thing a sub wants is to be "pinged"!
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We do have anti-mine capabilities, and we can use other sonar devices to detect such chokepoints. Tankers might move through their more slowly, waiting for an escort, but they'd still get through the strait.
Agreed. And something else... most of those double-hulled supertankers would take a hit from a sea mine and simply shrug it off. During the 80’s tanker war the commander of the US Escort Group simply put the tankers in a single-file line behind the first tanker to hit a mine. All the US destroyers & frigates fell-in behind as well.
They will be really stealthy when they are in pieces at the bottom of the gulf.
These guys are serious?
Over the course of the following weeks and months, as each sub returned to base and reported on their missions, the Russians slowly came to the realization that every one of their subs were being successfully tracked.
... but what the Iranians are training to do this time is to perform “swarm attacks” using high-speed boats supported by heavier units. They will hit the convoys while they are picking their way through the minefields, making systematic minesweeping difficult.
The kilo is a diesel electric. It can't stay down a long time. It has to surface to recharge its batteries.
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