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1 posted on 01/12/2012 10:22:01 PM PST by george76
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They shouldn’t let them drive their buggies until they comply. What they’re doing is dangerous.


2 posted on 01/12/2012 10:24:49 PM PST by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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Do they go to an Amish prison or are they sent to a real prison with electric lights, a TV, power door locks and a roommate named Bubba who has not seen a real woman since the Carter administration?


7 posted on 01/12/2012 10:53:03 PM PST by trumandogz
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Finaly, they Amish terrorists got busted at this!:)


10 posted on 01/12/2012 11:05:07 PM PST by cunning_fish
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Am I the only one who thinks a judge saying, “It’s not up to me to change the law” is incredibly refreshing?


11 posted on 01/12/2012 11:19:41 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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...perhaps letting them paint a reflecting paint sign on their buggies would solve this dispute....seems other Amish in other states have no problem using the familiar triangle


19 posted on 01/12/2012 11:42:38 PM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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In this case the Amish are defying the instruction of the Holy Ghost in at least three places:

"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: as free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God." (1 Peter 2:13-16)

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. ... Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: ... " (read Romans 13:1-6 for fuller details)

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." (Galatians 5:22-23)

This regulation is not unreasonable when the Amish are sharing the highway designed for two tons of hurtling steel, not for their mode of transportation. If they want to obey God, let them submit to this reasonable regulation, act like Christians, pay their fines for blatant disobedience; and shut up, be law-abiding, be humble toward men and meek toward God; and follow the law set forth for a peaceable, just, and safe society. This is not requiring them to compromise any Bible-based principles, only some overstatements of conspicuousness in their traditions.

The judge is eminently correct; they are dead wrong in this.

25 posted on 01/12/2012 11:54:20 PM PST by imardmd1 (Ps. 107:2 Let the redeemed of the Lord say so ...!)
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Inconspicuous signs would sort of defeat the purpose.


26 posted on 01/12/2012 11:55:37 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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Judge said it straight. It could be about 100 or 150 years ago worse than than it presently is I guess.

Jungspringers gots to get their brain around what’s worth fighting against.


36 posted on 01/13/2012 1:07:04 AM PST by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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Public safety trumps superstition every time...
38 posted on 01/13/2012 1:30:14 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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I feel so much safer now.

Thank God the aggressive police state has its boot firmly on their silly necks.


42 posted on 01/13/2012 2:49:33 AM PST by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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"I totally understand your objection," the judge told Byler. "But you're in violation, and it's not up to me to change the law. It doesn't really matter what I think about any of this."

Our government spends $ millions or billions to make sure that salmon can run upstream even with a dam. The EPA spends money to protect an endangered mosquito or lizard. Why does our government not do the same for people whose religious practices avoid technology? We should show a little respect, give them their own roads so they can practice their beliefs in peace?

Our country someday may take a few steps backward; it would be useful to have people who have skills and know how to survive without technology.

44 posted on 01/13/2012 3:22:40 AM PST by olezip
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They're gonna run afoul of the FAA next:


48 posted on 01/13/2012 3:43:58 AM PST by Rebelbase
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I grew up in NW Pennsylvania Amish country. Buggies were a common sight, but being flat black in color they were almost impossible to see at night. When they started putting the reflective triangles on the back of the buggy it helped considerably. Now some even have battery powered tail lights.
These aren’t new style but old style Amish.


51 posted on 01/13/2012 4:27:15 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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The Amish aren't Luddites, and they're not completely withdrawn from the public square (unlike, say, the Jehovah's Witnesses). They value community over individuality, and so they cautiously adopt technologies and customs that will avoid eroding the boundaries of their community or their distinction from the "English."

Amish farmers are off the grid, but for decades they have generally permitted diesel-powered generators in the barn to power refrigerated milk tanks. This was a concession to public health concerns, and thus a benefit to the community: it preserved their livelihood. When reflective triangles are perceived by the community elders as beneficial—say, because they prevent unnecessary deaths by enabling motorists to avoid rear-ending a dark, unlit buggy in the middle of the night—they'll be permitted. As other posters have already pointed out, some Amish communities already permit reflecters and battery-powered lights.

Also, the Amish drive black buggies and wear dark, plain clothing because of their tradition of modesty. Cars and clothing are amongst the most visible status symbols, and they wish to avoid class distinctions between them. It seems to me that if every Amish buggy had a bright orange triangle on it, that wouldn't be a problem, since no one would be any more "flashy" than anyone else. But, to be fair, I'm not necessarily thinking with their logic.

66 posted on 01/13/2012 7:16:28 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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They got about 1 day jail time per $50 of fine.

While most annual estimates peg a year in jail as costing $30k (or more)...or $82 per day.

By all reasonable comparisons it appears the thoughtful judge lengthend the stays to make it particularly painful in this case even for people of very limited income, however it still isn’t cost effective for the tax payer. The tax payer is paying $82 per day, to in essences forgive $50 per day.


71 posted on 01/14/2012 11:41:00 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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Got to teach these uppity Amish a lesson

After all, how do you expect people to see that there is a HORSE and BUGGY on the street if there is not a red triangle on it.

People should be requred to wear orange triangles too.


76 posted on 01/15/2012 8:02:13 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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Mark 12:17


77 posted on 01/15/2012 8:46:22 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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