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To: Hemingway's Ghost

“You don’t see anyone here, including me, advocating marijuana use by “young people.” Your argument is a POS.”

Add “makes you rude” to the list of things pot does to you.

Also it compromises your cognitive abilities, because my argument wasn’t concerned with “children.” It’s concerned with people 15-25 — some of whom are adults — who smoke the most pot. And suffer the devastating consequences.

What you libertarians fail to understand is that your individual choices affect me, because you’re not an island. I don’t want to live in the kind of crap, third-world country that tolerates prostitution and heroin usage, because I know what sort of society results. For the same reason, I want to keep pot out.

And it’s not your government that’s telling you what to — it’s your fellow citizens. When pot legalization was put on the ballot here in California last time around, it failed.

So stop screaming about “the government” — the people of this country don’t want that noxious, evil weed legalized. Except you. And you only get one vote.


135 posted on 01/11/2012 1:31:16 PM PST by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink
What you libertarians fail to understand is that your individual choices affect me, because you’re not an island. I don’t want to live in the kind of crap, third-world country that tolerates prostitution and heroin usage, because I know what sort of society results. For the same reason, I want to keep pot out.

Another conservative statist outs himself. Or herself.

Listen, it's impossible to argue on a rational or logical level with someone who insists upon using progressive strategy to push a political agenda. I'm not trying to insult you; I'm just being honest. If we're going to dissect this issue from the conservative standpoint---which I believe is the rational one, by the way---there's no way you can argue for the continued criminalization of marijuana and yet remain consistent with other conservative values grounded on individual freedom and liberty.

What you fail to understand is that this basis for your stance: "that your individual choices affect me, because you're not an island" has no limit. I could make a logical argument that simply by drawing a breath my actions affect others. It's nebulous. It's inaccurate. It doesn't tell the whole story. And for God's sake, it's not a principle on which to base law that governs free people.

Unless you're a statist.

139 posted on 01/11/2012 1:45:06 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Blue Ink
I don’t want to live in the kind of crap, third-world country that tolerates prostitution and heroin usage

Prostitution is legal in Nevada - is that a "crap, third-world" location? Opiates were legal in the USA until about 100 years ago - was the USA before that a "crap, third-world country"?

And it’s not your government that’s telling you what to — it’s your fellow citizens.

The Founding Fathers opposed tyranny of the majority: "When a majority is included in a faction, the form of popular government, on the other hand, enables it to sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens." - Federalist #10

141 posted on 01/11/2012 1:47:19 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Blue Ink; Hemingway's Ghost; JustSayNoToNannies
What you libertarians fail to understand is that your individual choices affect me, because you’re not an island. I don’t want to live in the kind of crap, third-world country that tolerates prostitution and heroin usage, because I know what sort of society results. For the same reason, I want to keep pot out.

And it’s not your government that’s telling you what to — it’s your fellow citizens. When pot legalization was put on the ballot here in California last time around, it failed.

So stop screaming about “the government” — the people of this country don’t want that noxious, evil weed legalized. Except you. And you only get one vote
 
 
That is so good - it deserves a repost in bold font.
 

What you libertarians fail to understand is that your individual choices affect me, because you’re not an island. I don’t want to live in the kind of crap, third-world country that tolerates prostitution and heroin usage, because I know what sort of society results. For the same reason, I want to keep pot out.

And it’s not your government that’s telling you what to — it’s your fellow citizens. When pot legalization was put on the ballot here in California last time around, it failed.

So stop screaming about “the government” — the people of this country don’t want that noxious, evil weed legalized. Except you. And you only get one vote

 

 

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Blue Ink - in case you didn't already know - you are arguing with two of the biggest lib hypocrites here at FR. While they themselves say they don't use these dangerous drugs, they are perfectly OK with others using them.
 
Kinda like welfare fraud. Or abortion. While they personally oppose it - they are OK with others taking part in these societal fuster-clucks.
 
That is morally evil. And yet they hate our SoCon values and attack us even on a conservative stie.
 
Ahh Well.


148 posted on 01/11/2012 2:05:18 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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