Then our difference of opinion comes down to this.
I believe a GOP controlled House and Senate that repeals Obamacare can apply enough pressure to a flip-flopper like Romney to make him change his stripes for political gain.
Nobody on this forum wants Romney. Jim’s zotted all his support off the forum. I want Palin. I don’t know who you want. But none of us wants Romney.
My entire discussion is, if Romney is the nominee, I would vote for him rather than see Obama win. You would vote I guess 3rd party or write in a name, so you would hand Obama a 2nd term.
That is what is being discussed. If it comes down to Romney vs Obama, do you vote Romney or let Obama win?
Romney vs. Obama.
I hold my nose, vote Romney, and hope the GOP legislature can overwhelm him. At the very worst, Romney IS Obama, and I am no better off. I don’t see any downside to voting Romney.
You hate Romney so, that you would prefer Obama over him, not in preference, but in actual action. You hate Romney so that your actions would result in Obama being re-elected.
I KNOW Obama cannot be made to repeal his own greatest socialist achievement even with a gun to his head.
I KNOW that if Obamacare is implemented, we will soon become Britain on our way to Greece.
You seem to believe that Romney is identical to Obama and cannot be made to repeal it, while I believe he can be made to repeal it.
And that is the greatest difference between our opinions.
Gingerich/Santorum 2012
You're wrong to apply the word "hate" to my decision on what I'd do if Romney gets the nomination -- that is, put my vote elsewhere. I wonder at its appearance in our discussion, and figure "hate" comes to your mind because of your own perceptions. Let go of "hate" and maybe I'll make more sense to you, because hate is entirely absent here. It's in your perception, that's all.
For me, your weak link is in thinking a GOP legislature could overwhelm Romney; there's a slim chance you're correct, but it would be a fatal blow if you're wrong.
Why? Because in a Presidential election, the vast majority of people voting for Romney would really be voting against Obama. For many, it would the first time they voted Republican.
Romney would contine and ENRICH much of the whole enchilada they voted AGAINST. They'd feel betrayed -- by what? THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Cynicism would become as strong as bile, the Republican party would be viewed more the party of Government Tyranny than Democrats, and the GOP would cease potential as a venue for limited government's antidote. Specifically LIMITED GOVERNMENT, which is the single best path toward both fiscal and social conservatism.
Based on observation, the liklihood is that enough of the GOP legislature would (1) be inclined to back Romney's GOP administration and (2) contain many more Democrats after a Romney Admin mid-term.
There is an enormous downside to having Romney in the White House. I am willing to gamble -- and it's taking a lot of courage, and it's difficult for obvious reasons - but I'm willing to gamble that Obama for four more years would provide Republican conservatives more of a fighting chance to reclaim the Constitution.
I think if Romney were to win the presidency then he might end up doing things no conservative likes. He’ll force the congress to go along and he’ll repeal bills that republican conservatives pass.
The media will have a field day if he doesn’t agree with the the republican congress. And moderates in blue states will began to make noise. It will be like George Bush’s presidency again mixed with parts of Nixon.
I don’t think the congress will be so conservative they will be able to force Romney to do it there way. And then Romney is not leading, but playing second fiddle to congress like Obama has been.
If it comes down to Romney vs Obama then both are bad choices. Anyway you look at it you lose. The tea party base, I think the tea party groups are cowards, but the base will be actively against Romney. Eventually they would find a person to run against him in 2016.