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Ron Paul’s Base
Frum's Forum ^ | David Frum

Posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:43 PM PST by mnehring

Here’s another tragic misunderstanding of Ron Paul’s message of human freedom: Paul has just gained David Duke’s endorsement. This week, the former KKK Grand Wizard telephoned into the radio show hosted by Stormfront founder Don Black to announce his support, and the two men had the following conversation.

Ron Paul was a hot topic this week on the talk radio show hosted by prominent white supremacist Don Black and his son Derek. Mr. Black said he received Mr. Paul’s controversial newsletters when they were first published about two decades ago and described how the publications were perceived by members of the white supremacist movement. Former KKK Grand Wizard and Louisiana Congressman David Duke also phoned in to explain why he’s voting for Mr. Paul.

“Everybody, all of us back in the 80′s and 90′s, felt Ron Paul was, you know, unusual in that he had actually been a Congressman, that he was one of us and now, of course, that he has this broad demographic–broad base of support,” Mr. Black said on his broadcast yesterday.

Mr. Black is a former Klansman and member of the American Nazi Party who founded the “white nationalist” website Stormfront in 1995. He donated to Mr. Paul in 2007 and has beenphotographed with the candidate. Mr. Paul has vocal supporters in Stormfront’s online forum.

Black said on air he does not regard Paul as “currently” a white nationalist. To which David Duke answered:

Again, I go back to that, you know, traditional topic that I always talk about, you know, the powers of international Zionism–a power in banking, a power in media, a power in government influence, in campaign finance–a power that’s, you know, hurting the values of this country on behalf of Israel,” Mr. Duke said. “So, I would vote for Ron Paul at this moment because he’s one of the few candidates who have policies in this regard and this realm that I wholeheartedly support, and that’s why I’d vote for him.”

A politician isn’t answerable for the antics of every one of his supporters. But there’s surely a reason, isn’t there, that racists, anti-Semites, 9/11 Truthers, and Holocaust deniers are so strongly attracted to the Paul campaign. They hear something. They continue to hear it too, no matter how firmly Ron Paul’s more mainstream supporters clamp their hands over their own ears.


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To: Lazlo in PA

I suspect this clowns kept them open to help Romney but it has backfired big time .
Axelrod and Soro saw an opportunity to embarrass the GOP with lunatic Paul as the GOP poster boy !


41 posted on 01/03/2012 6:31:33 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Mark Levin just referred to one of these dopey supporters who jam talk show lines defending the indefensible Ron Paul as "brown shirts". He's got their number down alright.

Mark was trying real hard to keep his New Years resolution and be more patient. But that caller lied to his screener and said hewas a Santorum supporter. Nobody likes being lied to.

42 posted on 01/03/2012 6:58:59 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: mnehring

The KKK supported FDR. Why wouldn’t they? He refused to integrate the military, and opposed the civil rights bills proposed by Robert Taft. He appointed KKKer Hugo Black to the Supreme Court. He even refused to admit black children to his polio camp. Yet David Frum venerates FDR.


43 posted on 01/03/2012 7:35:30 PM PST by oblomov
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To: ncalburt
This phony Ron Paiul support are Dem and Union activist being bussed in just like Obama did in 2008.

Yep. It's also "Operation Chaos" in reverse.

44 posted on 01/03/2012 8:02:39 PM PST by ponygirl
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To: ncalburt; ex-Texan

Those who are supporting Ron Paul say it all, KKK, neo-Nazis, college twits since Ron Paul has stated he will legalize drugs, and I bet the Tehran Islamic tyrants lo0ve him too.


45 posted on 01/03/2012 9:13:00 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never 'free'.)
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To: mnehring

Smaller goverment is good for every individual interest that is not in using the same to steal from or otherwise repress their neighbor.


46 posted on 01/03/2012 9:49:20 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: elhombrelibre

“This is another painful reminder of what’s wrong with Run Paul; it’s like seeing Obama at the Reverend Wright’s Church, or knowing that Senator Byrd was once a Grand Kleagle in the KKK. Decent people don’t associate with anti-Semites and racists. Obama failed that test. Paul has failed that test. Ronald Reagan did not. He never accepted any support from these vile sorts.”

There is a Gigantic different between Obama and Byrds active association & support of theses people and Paul’s resieving of support from folk.

Good and Bad people agree on many if not most things, even when they agree for different reasons. Indeed it is the logical singularity of libertarianism that attracts support from all sides. Why? Simply put it allows everyone the prospect of doing more of what they want free of Big central Goverment.

Communist like it when they don’t win because they can then experiment in communism. Anarchist like it for the same reason, people from every strip that don’t necessarily conform to the uniformity that Goverment attempts to impose upon us all.

It is thus to be expected that among the supporters of big goverment will be those that disagree most with the opinions of the majority who define the same uniform code imposed by that goverment upon all.


47 posted on 01/03/2012 9:56:50 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: CommerceComet
Although Ron Paul has stated that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior, I have not seen Ron Paul's respect for political chain of command.

The political chain of command you speak of, has divided the once united and all but left America flat broke, bankrupt and dead on the floor.

Respect? This is a joke right?

48 posted on 01/03/2012 10:13:00 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CommerceComet
Every person who I know who likes Ron Paul has a strong anti-authoritarian streak

Oh.

How unAmerican of them.

(/sarc)

49 posted on 01/04/2012 1:49:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CommerceComet
Ron Paul's career as a Congressman has always been as someone who refused to follow the party's hierarchy.

Ron Paul isn't in Congress to follow Party orders, he is there to represent the people in his district. They are his bosses, not the GOP. Like it or not, that is how it is supposed to work, and just might have something to do with his getting re-elected.

Anyone who goes to Washington and forgets about the folks back home to suck up to the Party elite ought to be canned.

50 posted on 01/04/2012 2:24:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ncalburt
Axelrod and Soro saw an opportunity to embarrass the GOP with lunatic Paul as the GOP poster boy !

Wow, they've been planning that for a long time. (Sheeesh!)

51 posted on 01/04/2012 2:27:15 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Monorprise
"Indeed it is the logical singularity of libertarianism that attracts support from all sides. Why? Simply put it allows everyone the prospect of doing more of what they want free of Big central Goverment."

Let's not bring logic and common sense into this conversation...and interrupt the regularly scheduled hate-fest. :-|

52 posted on 01/04/2012 3:11:23 AM PST by incindiary (http://youtu.be/BkpnhCkLK-M)
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To: Monorprise

I partly agree with you. But Run Paul could disassociate himself from the KKK and other such nutjobs. When the KKK tried to embrace Reagan, he rejected them. Run Paul won’t do that. And Obama sat for over 20 years in a racist church and tithed to it. Some people stand on principle. Paul’s too egotistical to give up even the most kooky fans.


53 posted on 01/04/2012 4:45:04 AM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Grunthor

“But there’s surely a reason, isn’t there, that racists, anti-Semites, 9/11 Truthers, and Holocaust deniers are so strongly attracted to the Paul campaign. They hear something.”

A similiar thing happened back in 1948.

Henry A Wallace was running for President as the Progressive Party nominee. Wallace was not a Communist but held views that were looked kindly upon by Communists. During the entire campaign, he was asked whether he disavowed the support of Communists. he refused to do so.

In 2011 and 2012, Paul has refused to disavow the support of Truthers, anti-Semites and Stormfront members.

It’s amazing how history keeps repeating itself.


54 posted on 01/04/2012 7:34:19 AM PST by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: Theophilus; SmokingJoe; dragnet2

You realize that your comments have just illustrated my initial point - Paul’s appeal is his anti-authoritarian attitude. Supporting Ron Paul is way of sticking your finger in the eye of “the man.”


55 posted on 01/04/2012 8:57:09 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: Smokin' Joe; SmokingJoe
Smokin' Joe - See post 55.

SmokingJoe - you can ignore my previous ping to you. I think that my computer might have autocorrected and sent my post to the wrong "Smoking Joe."

56 posted on 01/04/2012 9:03:10 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: mnehring

I got as far as “Frum” before I skipped down to Comments.


57 posted on 01/04/2012 9:04:31 AM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: CommerceComet
An anti-authoritarian attitude?

Sometimes that is justified. Like when the TSA guy wants to pat down your 5 year-old.

Authority run amok is nothing to be respected, and the Founders knew that.

It dawned on me that the same government which prohibits my relatives from cutting timber planted 180 years ago by our ancestors, on land which has been continuously in the family since long before there was a United States, isn't just sticking a finger in an eye, but just might be sticking something else in a different orifice. Really, cutting trees on their own land (millions of dollars worth of red oak).

Respect for authority?

Only when it is so deserving, and the massive usurpation of the rights and liberties of the American people are cause not to respect those who have violated their solemn oaths to the Constitution.

Most Americans would not understand Liberty, nor the responsibility which comes with it, if they were smacked in the face with it.

They are fine with another agency, another set of rules, so long as they don't think their personal ox will get gored. The funny thing about giving up someone else's rights is that it cheapens yours. Many prefer the comfort of someone giving them orders, no matter how insane those orders are, and that phenomenon of cultural cowardice has led to abundant despotism in the world, even in recent history. It is indeed folly to think this country is immune when we see growing evidence of the problem every day, often posted on this site.

Recall that Governments are instituted among men to secure those unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Apparently some of us do not consent as much nor as readily as others. If those others want to prostitute their freedom for 'security', I can only hope their chains lie comfortably on them.

I and others are not of their ilk, regardless of which politician, if any, we choose to support.

58 posted on 01/04/2012 10:07:33 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CommerceComet
Paul’s appeal is his anti-authoritarian attitude.

Perhaps you are right about that. Do you see a distinction between having respect for authority and being authoritarian?

59 posted on 01/04/2012 10:16:02 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: CommerceComet
You realize that your comments have just illustrated my initial point - Paul’s appeal is his anti-authoritarian attitude. Supporting Ron Paul is way of sticking your finger in the eye of “the man.”

I guess you're a little slow Mr. Comet.

I've got a GD belly full of your controlling, intrusive people in government, who want to control and regulate every damn thing we do....

Is there something you don't get about this?

60 posted on 01/04/2012 10:28:57 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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