Divisions emerge between Islamists in Egypt

Miami Herald ^ | Sunday, January 1, 2012 | Mohannad Sabry

[SunkenCiv]

In the second phase of elections, whose results were announced Dec. 24, the Muslim Brotherhood's political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party, maintained its leading position, raking in more than 4 million votes. It was followed by the Al Nour Party of the Salafists, a more hard-line Islamist group, with about 3.2 million votes.

Mohamed Morsi, head of the Freedom and Justice Party, dismissed talk of forming an alliance with the rival Salafists soon after results were announced by the Higher Electoral Committee. Although only partial results are available, both parties together control roughly half the parliamentary seats, with the Brotherhood holding about 30 percent.

"There is no alliance. ... I don't think it will happen any time soon due to conflicting ideologies," Morsi told Al Mehwer, an Egyptian cable channel, on Monday.

The Salafists agreed. "Any coalition with the Muslim Brotherhood is far from possible," said Nader Bakkar, the official spokesman of Al Nour Party...

The Brotherhood, meanwhile, formed an 11-party election bloc called the Democratic Alliance, which includes the prominent liberal parties Al Ghad ("Tomorrow") and Al Karama ("Dignity")...

Although Salafists and the Muslim Brotherhood were both officially outlawed here for decades - members of the groups have shared prison cells - Salafist leaders have made several statements that have alarmed Egyptians and underscored their differences with the more moderate Brotherhood.

Abdel Monem el Shahat, a prominent Salafist cleric and a leading figure in the Al Nour Party, recently described the ancient Egyptian civilization as "rotten" and called for the country's Pharaonic statues to be covered in wax because they resembled those worshipped in pre-Islamic times.

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[SunkenCiv]

"Die, Infidels!"

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Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution. Abdel Monem el Shahat, a prominent Salafist cleric and a leading figure in the Al Nour Party, recently described the ancient Egyptian civilization as "rotten" and called for the country's Pharaonic statues to be covered in wax because they resembled those worshipped in pre-Islamic times. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

[SunkenCiv]

Egypt’s liberals and the elections
While it is important to understand what advantages Islamists had in the elections, it is also important to understand where liberal and secular forces failed
B M Sabry , Saturday 31 Dec 2011
http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsContentP/4/30260/Opinion/Egypt%E2%80%99s-liberals-and-the-elections.aspx

[snip] “Panicked” doesn’t even begin to describe the feelings of many of Egypt’s more liberal and secular citizens. The results of the first and second rounds of the nation’s first apparently free parliamentary elections have been nothing but cause for serious existential introspection for the country’s entire liberal movement. In fact, many outside of Egypt share the same disheartened emotion, whether in the public sphere or governmental circles. To be sure, almost everyone expected an outright Islamist victory and majority in parliament, but few expected such staggering scores, with the Islamists set to easily dominate eventually at least 65-70 per cent of parliament. The one side of the debate that grabbed most of the headlines and airtime centered on why Islamists were doing so well. But the question of why the liberals haven’t done as well is equally important... While at first there were two major coalitions, with one of them (the Democratic Alliance) led by the Muslim Brotherhood yet still inclusive of household liberal names such as Al-Wafd Party (whose head later stated that Al-Wafd was neither a “liberal” nor an “religious” party, but a centrist one, in an effort to appeal to the mainstream), and another more outright liberal bloc lead by the Free Egyptians Party (FEP), by the time the elections actually began to take place the Democratic Aliance had lost many of its mainstream parties, including Al-Wafd, and became more essentially a Brotherhood-based coalition. [/snip]

[Olog-hai]

“Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.”

— The Art Of War 1:20

There is no division between Salafist Muslim Brotherhood and Salafist al-Nour.

[MasterGunner01]

When can we expect the Muslim Brotherhood to start murdering their secular and “liberal” democratic opponents? They’re already murdering the Coptic Christians. The MB is living up to the Religion of Peace’s reputation as a death cult.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks!

[onyx]

This is the wonderful Arab Spring of Democracy?

[MCH]

Here’s hoping a major civil war breaks out, the rival fanatical muzzie groups being to exterminate one another, and we get a new prez who’s smart enough to stay the hell out of the whole situation and let them do it.

[SunkenCiv]

US involvement should consist of two things: 1) making sure no other outside powers involved themselves and 2) making sure none of the combatants run out of arms or ammo.

[SunkenCiv]

Coptic (Catholic) priest: We will resist reimposition of jizya to the point of martyrdom
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2827874/posts

[MasterGunner01]

Then, you can guarantee the “tolerant” Muslim Brotherhood members will be going Jihad against the Coptic Christians in Egypt. Welcome to the wonderfulness of the Arab Spring. Welcome to the Muslim-Coptic Christian civil war in Egypt.

I can almost 100% guarantee that should the Muslim Brotherhood start butchering Coptic Christians in Egypt, (1) the MSM will not report it and (2) Barry and Hillary(!) [and their MSM enablers] will support the Muslim Brotherhood.

[SunkenCiv]

There is nothing new about that — hence the long, downward spiral of the Christian populations in the 57 states. This fact doesn’t keep some folks from claiming the Christians were living in a nice, safe, stable environment before, under the equally stern rule of a secularist despot, and will now be intercoursed when fundies take over. The fact is, the world should be sans predominantly Muzzie states, and as that process goes forward, all Muzzies should be chased out, imprisoned for their lawlessness (”honor” killings, etc), or killed outright.

[MasterGunner01]

There is a joke about Star Trek. Question: Why aren't there any Arabs on the TV show? Answer: Because, in the 24th century, there aren't any Muslims.

Seriously, Islam has been a blight on the civilized world for 1,400 years. Everywhere Muslim rule is ascendant, there is nothing but poverty, disease, ignorance, and backwardness. Everywhere Islam goes, death and destruction follow. This is not a healthy ideology; it is a malignant cancer that must be cut out and destroyed for the good of the human race.

We are at war today with a hybrid ideology that takes the worst of a radicalized interpretation of Islam and combines it with the worst of the Nazi socialist beliefs. This hybrid, Islamofascism, is as dangerous as that practiced by Hitler's Germany from 1933-1945.

The problem for the Western Democracies is they have decided to appease the Islamofascists — in much the same way as Germany and the Nazis were appeased. That did not work well and 50 million people died in the most destructive war of the 20th century.

Here we are in 2012 and the same kinds of mistakes and stupidities are being repeated over again. Islam's war against the civilized world is going to happen. Unlike other wars, civilization cannot afford to loose this one because the barbarians will be in control. Unfortunately, too many in the West think they can work with barbarians.