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Gingrich Applauded Romney's Health Plan [headline is a lie]
Wall St. J ^ | December 27, 2011 | BRODY MULLINS AND JANET ADAMY

Posted on 12/26/2011 10:01:00 PM PST by Steelfish

DECEMBER 27, 2011 Gingrich Applauded Romney's Health Plan

BY BRODY MULLINS AND JANET ADAMY

Newt Gingrich voiced enthusiasm for Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health-care law when it was passed five years ago, the same plan he has been denouncing over the past few months as he campaigned for the Republican presidential nomination.

"The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system," said an April 2006 newsletter published by Mr. Gingrich's former consulting company, the Center for Health Transformation.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: freddiemac; gingrich; individual; individualmandate; mandate; romnewtcare; romney; romneycare
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To: Utmost Certainty

Romney has changed his position on a LOT of fundamental issues, usually carefully timed with his running for a new election.

Health care and climate change were not easy issues where there was a fundamental conservative or Judeo-Christian basis for how to approach them going years back. Newt is a thinker, and a lot of his writings on these issues over the years while he’s been out of office don’t appear to present solid positions, but moreso thinking out loud and considering various potential solutions. Also keep in mind he worked for think tanks. His job was to pontificate on these things and try to come up with solutions.

There are bigger differences between Romney and Newt on their current campaign proposals, not just their past statements. Newt is offering a much broader tax overhaul while Romney’s takes the same tax-the-rich-more approach that Obama does.


41 posted on 12/26/2011 10:43:29 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Gingrich is 1000000000000000 times more conservative than Romney, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or uninformed.

Oh yeah? Well Rick Santorum is a zillion times more conservative than Gingrich, and anyone who says otherwise is a liberal-loving Newtbot.

(Paging Captain Hyperbole. Please pick up the white courtesy phone . . .)

42 posted on 12/26/2011 10:44:15 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: EagleUSA; Utmost Certainty

Unfortunately in election sound bites nuance is lost. Ads will portray a million times over the WSJ headline. Perception often times defines reality in politics. Don’t get me wrong. I like much of what Gingrich says and stands for but with this kind of baggage to explain away coupled with his lack of telegenic appeal he is as close as you can get to being unelectable. The likely remaining prospects are now Perry and Santorum. That’s the reality. Gingrich is of course not done. He is leading in S. Carolina, Florida, and Ohio. But as in Iowa we have a fickle primary electorate. These leads are ephemeral and is no true indicator on how all this would pan out.


43 posted on 12/26/2011 10:45:15 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: CainConservative
Wake up, dude: it's Newt or Willard VERSUS Obama. Choose wisely.

Really? Only Newt or Willard? No one else to choose from, eh? Give me a break.

Support Newt or Willard at your own peril. I'll support a conservative instead.

44 posted on 12/26/2011 10:48:02 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

On Jan 3rd night, you’ll see the light.


45 posted on 12/26/2011 10:49:09 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: Hoodat
"Gingrich is 1000000000000000 times more conservative than Romney, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or uninformed."

Exactly.

46 posted on 12/26/2011 10:50:44 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: JediJones
Newt has also said that the constitutional issue is one reason why he’s moved away from the idea of an individual mandate.

The Constitution would have been the reason I never would have supported it from the start. Obviously, Newt Gingrich does not value the Constitution the same way that I do.

47 posted on 12/26/2011 10:51:37 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Steelfish

for gawd sakes, most republicans are socialists. We’re doomed


48 posted on 12/26/2011 10:51:41 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: CainConservative
On Jan 3rd night, you’ll see the light.

Will you? When Gingrich places third or lower in Iowa, will you still be singing the same song? Or will we then have your permission to support a conservative candidate instead?

49 posted on 12/26/2011 10:54:45 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

your right Santorum is. But he is also unelectable because people just don’t like him.

The choices are Romney or Gingrich, it’s that simple.


50 posted on 12/26/2011 10:57:53 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: JediJones
Newt has also said that the constitutional issue is one reason why he’s moved away from the idea of an individual mandate.

Good.

Essentially we have always been mandating emergency room coverage by law without paying for it. Why was there never an uproar about that, but only an uproar over someone trying to come up with a way to pay for that?

Right. This is where the terms of debate over the last however many decades re: healthcare coverage in the US, should have been set to begin with. It should be discussed as to whether it's constitutional to force a hospital to treat those who cannot pay; instead the issue has revolved around finding a way to optimally fleece the public in order to help pay for hospitals to carry out that mandate.

Also, if you look at Newt’s full article that Forbes is quoting, his reason for saying Romneycare “has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system” is explained at the end. He was saying it would spur debate, not that it was the final and best solution

Yes, I figured the news header was something spun out of context. At face value, it's easy to read into phrasing like "tremendous potential" as being words of praise for Romneycare itself, when that wasn't the intended meaning at all.
51 posted on 12/26/2011 11:00:04 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Steelfish

Voting for telegenic candidates is what got us Obama. I think good looks are much less a factor than the ability to communicate, which Newt has and which was really Obama’s most electable asset.

The reality is the individual mandate is far from the biggest problem with that 2,000 page bill. It’s received somewhat unwarranted attention because it’s virtually the only piece that anyone could conceive of posing a court challenge on, other than some of the Medicaid stuff which no one understands. There is plenty more for our candidates to campaign against in that bill.

The issue of Newt approving of the mandate has already come up in the debates so this isn’t new. At worst Romney, Newt and Obama are “tied” on that issue. I would think Romney having actually passed it vs. Newt just talking about it makes him more vulnerable on it. The only other candidate who has an outside chance at the nomination is Perry, who has serious deficiencies on the communication side of things and a lot of potential negatives in his record that have not been examined yet.


52 posted on 12/26/2011 11:02:17 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If Romney and Gingrich are the only choices, Obama’s campaign ads (yup, $1 billion of it) will be like shooting fish in a barrel.


53 posted on 12/26/2011 11:03:06 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The choices are Romney or Gingrich, it’s that simple.

When Gingrich places third or fourth in Iowa, will the choices still only be Romney or Gingrich?

54 posted on 12/26/2011 11:03:06 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

It’s a two man race period, I don’t care what happens in Iowa, it will still be a two man race.


55 posted on 12/26/2011 11:05:59 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Steelfish
If Romney and Gingrich are the only choices, Obama’s campaign ads (yup, $1 billion of it) will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

If Gingrich is the candidate, Obama will only need to spend half a billion.

56 posted on 12/26/2011 11:06:08 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

Newt said he would have executed the mandate in a different way than Obamacare did. He always had an option for people to get out of buying insurance if they didn’t want to. I know he had mentioned having people post a bond. I don’t know if his idea was different enough to pass constitutional muster or not, but then until the Supreme Court rules, we don’t know where the court is going to fall on that one.


57 posted on 12/26/2011 11:07:49 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Hoodat
The choices are Romney or Gingrich, it’s that simple.

This time 4-years ago Giuliani was leading, Huckabee was in second and Juan McCain was in third place over 5 percentage points behind. I would imagine some at that time were saying the race was between Giuliani and Huckabee. Clearly, that was not true just as it is not true now that our choices are limited to Gingrich and Romney.


58 posted on 12/26/2011 11:09:42 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Here's what I think of your two-man race:

1. Mitt Romney cannot win the GOP nomination.
2. Newt Gingrich cannot beat Baraq Obama.

The sooner you accept the truth of #1, the sooner you can do something about #2. If there is no one else in this race besides McNewt or Mitt, then we are guaranteed four more years of Obama.

59 posted on 12/26/2011 11:10:38 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: JediJones

Oh no! Being telegenic is a big plus. Remember Reagan? JFK v. Nixon? And a tie on health care won’t do. This was Obama’s signature domestic issue. Romney and, by extension if Gingrich supported RomneyCare- the prototype for ObamaCare, then that’s a huge minus for our side. Flip flops by any candidate against an incumbent who goes into the election who already has the big states like NY, CA, MA, IL, WA, in the bag and $1B to throw is going into this fight with a severe handicap.


60 posted on 12/26/2011 11:12:05 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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