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To: ScottinVA; Smokin' Joe; Recovering_Democrat; jersey117; ImJustAnotherOkie; Mountain Mary; ...
ScottinVA: The feds use the lowest possible number, with the minimal factors involved to get to that 8.6%. By election time, it'll be engineered down to below 8%. This is one of the huge advantages Obama has.. a low bar to cross, only having to provide the sheeple with enough "evidence" that we've turned the corner.

I see this complaint often, but we have only ourselves to blame. The "feds" (BLS) publish the real numbers quite openly CLICK HERE. WE are the ones who accept Axelrod's marketing terms. The MSM uses both as needed to make things look better or worse, and our side goes right along with it talking about "above or below 8%."

U1: Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks.[2]
U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
U6: U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons (underemployment).

Note: "Marginally attached workers" are added to the total labour force for unemployment rate calculation for U4, U5, and U6. 
The BLS revised the CPS in 1994 and among the changes the measure representing the official unemployment rate was renamed U3 instead of U5.[80]

139 posted on 12/27/2011 5:41:18 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Thanks, sam, that’s more like what I thought the numbers would look like.


140 posted on 12/27/2011 5:48:31 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: sam_paine

Funny how the poll comes out just in time to discourage conservatives from voting against the establishment candidate.

Conservatism won in the 2010 elections. At this point, the wave of conservatism is even bigger.

I’ll never believe the lies of progressivism.


153 posted on 12/27/2011 7:31:06 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: sam_paine
I see this complaint often, but we have only ourselves to blame. The "feds" (BLS) publish the real numbers quite openly CLICK HERE. WE are the ones who accept Axelrod's marketing terms.

When was the last headline you saw touting the change in U6 unemployment? Sure, you can find the figure and you can see that unemployment is close to what it was during the great depression, but the government and the MSM know most people won't do this so they print U3 which gets smaller as more and more people lose their unemployment benefits even though there are not more jobs. Pure propaganda.

When was the last time you saw a headline touting the real inflation rate, you know including the things that make up a large part of most peoples budget, like food and gasoline? Again, you can find the figure if you search enough, but the government feels secure that the MSM will print their silly distorted figures and that most people will accept them. Pure propaganda.

Like the MSM, the government is working against us, not for us.

170 posted on 12/27/2011 9:15:38 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: sam_paine
OK -
New Gallup numbers now 46-48 against O. Whoever Gallup surveyed and/or who ever was doing the surveying had an attack of lactose intolerance from eggnog, or was drunk from the cheap bourbon in the eggnog, or both.
177 posted on 12/27/2011 11:01:10 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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