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Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights
Reason ^ | December 16, 2011 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 12/20/2011 6:30:01 PM PST by neverdem

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives wants to prohibit patients from protecting themselves.

If you are a medical marijuana patient in one of the 16 states (plus the District of Columbia) that allow for it, you’ve got reason to believe lately that the government has it in for you.

You’ve got federal raids on the places where you can conveniently buy your medicine, the governor of Arizona trying to overturn in court her citizens’ choice to institute a medical marijuana system, and Michigan’s attorney general trying to make life as hard as he can for those using the system his state’s voters approved by 63 percent in 2008. And while it isn’t directly the government’s fault, doctors are taking people off liver transplant waiting lists for using medical pot.

It isn’t just that the government on both the federal and state level doesn’t want you to be able to legally and conveniently obtain your medicine, if that medicine is pot. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) insists you inherently lose a key constitutional right merely by letting your state know you might want to take pot medicinally.

Merely having a state medical marijuana card, BATFE insists, means that you fall afoul of Sect. 922(g) of the federal criminal code (from the 1968 federal Gun Control Act), which says that anyone “who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance” is basically barred from possessing or receiving guns or ammo (with the bogus assertion that such possession implicates interstate commerce, which courts will pretty much always claim it does).

Nevada licenses medical pot users. Rowan Wilson, a Carson City-area woman who works as a medical technician in residential care homes, believes pot might be useful for her painful menstrual cramps. After going through…...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; atf; banglist; donutwatch; drugs; medicalmarijuana; nannystate; policestate; secondamendment; wod; wodlist; wosd
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Small 'l' libertarians are somewhere around 10 - 15 percent of the electorate, depending on the source. I wonder how many of the voted for Obama, because if they weren't fed up with his economic policies and Fast and Furious, Obama can kiss them goodbye now!
1 posted on 12/20/2011 6:30:03 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives wants to prohibit patients from protecting themselves.

That can be the only possible explanation.

Because the medical marijuana system of distrubution to "patients" is completely failsafe against any sort of abuse so that only people with a real medical need for the stuff can obtain it. How can the BATFE not see that?


2 posted on 12/20/2011 6:38:01 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: neverdem
Longstanding rule upheld by courts for many years--users of illegal drugs are not entitled to own firearms.

Pot is a federally proscribed drug, so possession and use negates the right to own a firearm. Simple and well known, and predictable to anyone who has ever thought about the realities of sucking pot behind a "prescription."

3 posted on 12/20/2011 6:38:57 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem

“Rowan Wilson, a Carson City-area woman who works as a medical technician in residential care homes, believes pot might be useful for her painful menstrual cramps”

This is ridiculous. Is she going to go to work stoned every 28 days?


4 posted on 12/20/2011 6:40:27 PM PST by Round 9
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To: neverdem

Did the FDA approve marijuana for any specific medical treatment?

Does anyone have any idea what pharmacuetical companies go through to get a drug approved? After it is approved there are increadible regulations that are strictly enforced during the production process all the way to market.

Any drug produced that was produced in a facility that violated a number of these regulations must be pulled from the market. There are billion dollar lawsuits going on everyday because of missing documents validating processes.

Still, Joe Blow can go and grow. All the community and the doctors know. Write a script, charge a buck, Jow Blow is a wealthy fellow.

How many doctors invest in Joe Blows business I wonder?


5 posted on 12/20/2011 6:42:02 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals draw conclusions on clouds with invisible ink from a unicorn horn dipped in Pixidust!)
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To: neverdem

There was a thread earlier that stated that over 30% of all U.S. Citizens become arrested at some point by the time they reach the age of 21 (It may have been 18). Over 1% of our population is in prison at any given moment, and per capitz, we have more than 5x the prison population of any other nation on the planet. Besides per capita, we have the largest NUMERICAL prison population on the planet.

The police state is in full swing. I by no means endorse drug use, but I’m going to point out that all of this criminalizing of all behavior is the round about way of gun control. Too many apathetic morons or ignorant touchy feely types thought it was a brilliant idea to hop on the “felons-have-no-rights” bandwagon. Unfortunately they failed to see that it was merely the “first they came for the felons, but I was not a felon” strategy. The average American commits THREE Federal felonies, PER DAY, completely unaware. A felony used to mean that the most heinous of crimes was committed, now it’s merely a money making racket. Everyone who is an adult is an unprosecuted felon, everyone.

Until everyone fights so that EVERYONE gets ALL of their God given rights, including felons not currently incarcerated/serving a sentence, no one will have them. They’ll continue to be erroded, mark my words.

(P.S. I’m not a felon, before anyone asks)


6 posted on 12/20/2011 6:42:33 PM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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Rowan Wilson, a Carson City-area woman who works as a medical technician in residential care homes, believes pot might be useful for her painful menstrual cramps

I"m sure. I believe Pot might be useful to relieve my depression when the Browns lose another close game. Happens about as regularly as Rowan's menstrual cramps. If this bimbo can get high when she's pms-ing why can't I get high because I'm in a bad mood?

7 posted on 12/20/2011 6:43:52 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem
I've seen the inside of a medicinal marijuana clinic where they were playing Peter Tosh music through a PA system, along with Winston Rodney and Burning Spear.

The medicinal devices sold for inhalation of the medicine were decorated with evil laughing clowns wearing jester hats and Oakland Raiders memorabilia. For straight bustin' ya wig up, yo.

Last time before that I ever went into a clinic, it was years earlier for physical therapy after a hospital stay and the place smelled like disinfecting alcohol and had 10 month old 'Highlights' and 'People' magazines in the lobby.

Boy, clinics sure have changed!

8 posted on 12/20/2011 6:45:19 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Round 9
This is ridiculous. Is she going to go to work stoned every 28 days?

What do you want to bet, she would suddenly start menstruating 4 times a month?

"Officer, I have a prescription. It's for my menstrual cramps." "Lady, I pulled you over two weeks ago and you said you were menstruating then too. You need to go back to the doctor and have him prescribe some potassium to clot that wound. Otherwise, you's gonna bleed to death."

9 posted on 12/20/2011 6:45:51 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals draw conclusions on clouds with invisible ink from a unicorn horn dipped in Pixidust!)
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To: neverdem

Should they be able to drive and operate heavy machinery while “taking pot” too?

I forget, where do my rights start?


10 posted on 12/20/2011 6:46:52 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals draw conclusions on clouds with invisible ink from a unicorn horn dipped in Pixidust!)
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To: JDW11235

You’re an unprosecuted felon, and so am I....


11 posted on 12/20/2011 6:47:38 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Tenacious 1
Time for some munchies eh Joe? Try again when you're straight, jojo.

BTW The FDA has approved marinol as a medical thc preparation. I knew a guy who took it for appetite while dealing with cancer. Yes he got rather high. He was a FFL dealer also, btw.

12 posted on 12/20/2011 6:48:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Read it carefully. Anyone “addicted” (read regularly taking) a controlled substance... Like Tylenol #3? Adderall? It doesn’t limit the proscrption to ILLEGAL drugs. How many of you saying, “Yeah, those dope smokers shouldn’t have rights to arms” take a legal controlled substance?


13 posted on 12/20/2011 6:50:30 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: JDW11235

Part of our prison population problem is freedom. But a larger part is the prison habitat. You know why Singapore is statistically one of the safest places (for crime) to be on the planet? An individual rarely commits a crime more than once.

If you break down the statistics by State, some magical things start to show up. When you break them down by ehtnicity, some more interesting things show up. When you start to study the cultural shift in America and the egregious influense urban and Latino cultures have had on youth in poverty along with our “no responsibility” and “no pride or honor” attitude (culturally speaking), it is no wonder we have lavish prisons fully populated with healthy happy repeat offenders.

Crime would drop like a rock if they changed the rules about prison overcrowding. If a prisoner had to be shot (executed) everytime a new prisoner was introduced to exceed the occupancy rating, how long before you think overcrowding would stop being an issue?

You take the number one worst offender or the leading prison gang member and you make him wear a yellow jump suit. It means he is the next to be executed when the court sends them another prisoner (regardless of how long he’s been in there). Save the jump suit. Wash it, leave the bullet holes, and give it to the next guy. This way, you kill a whole lot of birds with one stone.

Suddenly you end up with a prison full of cub scouts for fear of the yellow suit.

Just an idea......


14 posted on 12/20/2011 6:57:00 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals draw conclusions on clouds with invisible ink from a unicorn horn dipped in Pixidust!)
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To: kiryandil

Well, when you put it THAT way... :-)


15 posted on 12/20/2011 6:57:08 PM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235

(P.S. I’m not a felon, before anyone asks)


You just said everyone commits 3 felonies a day. Are you immobile?


16 posted on 12/20/2011 6:57:15 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: neverdem; hinckley buzzard

Sounds like a great reason to end the whole “medical marijuana” falacy. Two problems solved.


17 posted on 12/20/2011 7:01:27 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: JDW11235
Until everyone fights so that EVERYONE gets ALL of their God given rights, including felons not currently incarcerated/serving a sentence, no one will have them.

If you (not just you) have served your time, you should have every constitutional right every other citizen enjoys, including but not limited to the right to keep and bear arms. If an ex con can't be trusted with a gun he should still be on the inside of a prison.

18 posted on 12/20/2011 7:01:43 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Wow.

Just wow.

I am liking the way you think.


19 posted on 12/20/2011 7:02:15 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice; Tenacious 1
My plan is better. Heavily armed prison guards on the out side of the prison fence, no supervision on the inside, air drop food and medical supplies and small arms and ammo. Perhaps .22 caliber pistols but only enough to arm and feed maybe half the prison population.

Let over crowding work out its own solution.

20 posted on 12/20/2011 7:07:27 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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