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1 posted on 12/18/2011 10:55:06 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
It's easy enough to count the ways, but there is one albatross that's particularly heavy and odoriferous: his tie with Freddie Mac.

Oh, horse manure. What a yawn.
What does private whoring for Freddie Mac have to do with "conservatism"?

2 posted on 12/18/2011 10:59:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: neverdem

Leading a Republican Revolution to victory after 40 years of democrat rule is not conservative? Cutting the deficit and balancing the federal budget four years running is not conservative? Blocking socialist HillaryCare, reforming welfare and reducing unemployment are not conservative? Give me a break. I love Michelle’s constitutional stand on issues, but what great conservative feats has she actually accomplished?


3 posted on 12/18/2011 11:01:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: neverdem

I would vote for Bachmann.

The press did a job on her and worked. Republicans think she is crazy.

To me she is the best candidate, and yes she has flaws.


5 posted on 12/18/2011 11:04:44 PM PST by ventanax5
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To: neverdem

“Re that NR editorial, I would like, politely, to dissent from my colleagues’ dismissal of Perry and Bachmann.

In the former case, a handful of poor debate performances should not disqualify a man from executive responsibility: Our age’s veneration for men with “nothing to do but think and talk” (in Churchill’s words, on the sort of chaps he didn’t want in his war cabinet) is one reason why the Western world is sliding off a cliff.

In the latter case, Congresswoman Bachmann has fought a principled, conservative campaign with only one significant misstep — her overreach on the Gardasil business. Again, that shouldn’t be a disqualification. Nor should having more chiefs of staff than she has foster children (I speak as a guy who believes citizen-legislators shouldn’t have chiefs of staff, anyway). To be sexist about it, President Bachmann at her best would be another Thatcher and at her worst another Merkel — and Chancellor Merkel currently presides over the least worst Western economy. What’s not to like? Go, Michele!

As for the assertion of our more hysterical commenters that being reluctant to support a man with an office on K Street and a retainer from Freddie Mac is a sure sign that NRO is full of Beltway cocktail-sippers angling for cosy sinecures in the Romney administration, yeah, sure, whatever: Fellows who try this line of attack on me have failed as spectacularly as it’s possible to fail. But, just for the record, in recent years I’ve visited Washington, D.C., once every 18 months or so, and plan to cut it down to once every 24 months in the next half-decade. And I have no interest in serving as Deputy Assistant Under-Secretary of the Department of Paperwork under Mitt or anyone else. Anyone who thinks that sentient beings require an ulterior motive to be wary of a Newt nomination should have an herbal tea and lie down in a darkened room for half an hour.”


6 posted on 12/18/2011 11:07:45 PM PST by ventanax5
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To: neverdem

Awwww, someone has their knickers twisted over Newt?


8 posted on 12/18/2011 11:10:46 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: neverdem

[ Newt is not a conservative. ]

True but neither is Myth Romney..


10 posted on 12/18/2011 11:15:42 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: neverdem

Oh Puhleeze she is in Mitts pocket.


12 posted on 12/18/2011 11:17:10 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: neverdem

“At least in the primary elections, we should be willing to vote for someone without first having to swill Pepto-Bismol.”

If conservatives are afraid to vote for the most conservative candidate in the PRIMARIES, when we have such a flawed president, it shows we lack the courage to ever get out of this liberal mess of a government that we are now in.


25 posted on 12/18/2011 11:34:28 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: neverdem
The author brings up some interesting points that i hadn't thought of concerning Newt as the candidate. The main one being that the economy is likely to, still, be the major concern.

To win on this issue, the GOP needs someone who can connect the very large dots in the mortgage and credit meltdowns of 2008.

I don't think so. I think it's not so much why it happened as why are we still in it? And why have we done so much to make it worse? Then what is needed to get out of it and reverse the damage done since.

I'm still left with wanting Newt to discuss economics more.

Thanks for posting this...

26 posted on 12/18/2011 11:37:09 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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Newt

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/196987-1998-acu-ratings-gingrich-100-paul-88-santorum-84-last-year-all-3-were-in-cong.html

and

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/gingrichs-unimpeachable-conservative-credential/

and

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/12/14/newts_past_and_future_leadership_112396.html

and

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/12/14/newts_past_and_future_leadership_112396.html

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mittens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7OQoBxZZPqU

and

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/06/us-usa-campaign-romney-computers-idUSTRE7B500X20111206

and

http://mrctv.org/videos/mitt-romney-2002-my-views-are-progressive

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I post, you decide


28 posted on 12/18/2011 11:37:54 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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The $1.6 million is not just part of his baggage -- of which he has more than the Partridge family on tour.

And Obama will unpack and air every bit of it...to our shame.

42 posted on 12/19/2011 12:19:48 AM PST by Pomosapien (Buck Religion)
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To: neverdem

What I have learned thus far is that the GOP does not house conservatives, it does not produce conservatives, and it does not produce leaders of any sort.

I don’t know what’s ahead in 2012, but after the election, whatever happens, I think conservatives should absolutely abandon the stinking GOP.


52 posted on 12/19/2011 12:39:45 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Is it ok to mention Glenn Beck at this point? Glenn always 'claims' to be for the truth, rather than picking sides. However, he seems to have a real bee in his bonnet against Newt lately, which I find almost embarrassing, certainly unhelpful. And yet he never seems to mention or unload on Mitt. Is Glenn secretly favoring Mitt, like a Mormon-brother thing? Is it ok to even say this?

On the other hand, both of Glenn's radio sidekicks were chanting Santorum's name the other morning. Not sure what's going on over there and whether any official endorsement can ever be expected from that crowd. Anyone else have any feelings about the 'Beck bunch'?

56 posted on 12/19/2011 1:31:16 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: neverdem

Michelle Bachmann is definitely the most solidly conservative candidate the GOP is running.

Bachmann’s only flaws are her media-overblown gaffes. She does not have the liberal baggage of the other candidates...note:

She does not sit on a couch with Nancy Pelosi and push the fraudulent Global Warming agenda. The current “frontrunner” is stealing from Al Gore...help

She does not promote Open Borders, North American Union (EU for the USA), Illegal Alien Amnesty, nor give Illegal Aliens in-state college tuition...as one candidate has done

She did not pass and sign ObamaCare before ObamaCare came about

She did not support a Liberal RINO who later jumped shark and joined the DNC anyway

She did not turn tail on the situation in the Middle East, nor on Israel

Are we conservatives? Lets them support Conservatives. Support Michelle Bachmann


64 posted on 12/19/2011 2:54:59 AM PST by RealImmigrant (National Security begins at the Border)
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I am NOT voting for crazy Michele.


67 posted on 12/19/2011 3:46:59 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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Then there’s Santorum’s 16-point loss in his last run for the Senate,
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How many Elections did Abraham Lincoln lose before he was elected President? I know he lost a race for Congress. He was nominated as VP and that ticket lost. I believe he also lost a race for the IL State Legislature. And, he started a business that failed. Cut Rick some slack on that one.


68 posted on 12/19/2011 4:26:11 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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God help us if all we’re left with is Michele Bachmann. Hell, maybe it is time for Donald Trump to run. We’re going to screw around and lose this Election and give the Marxist Muslim four more years in the White House so he can finish destroying this nation.


69 posted on 12/19/2011 4:29:22 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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I agree. I support Michelle Bachmann. Nothing she has said or been wrong about has been any more so than some of the things Romney or Gingrich have put into practice. Conservatives are not the sum of their gaffs because if that were the case both the so called front runners would be laughing stocks.

I will say that Newt has a record of conservative accomplishment and that it sets him aside from Romney who I still struggle to find even an undercurrent of conservatism. Sure he has position pieces now but trust isn’t gained by look at what I say but not what I did. If anything Romney has avoided easy chances to show us he is the real deal instead he manages to show that he is still the same old soft NE Republican he always was the only difference is he wants to be President.

Bachmann on the other-hand has the right instincts. She voted against her President GW Bush and against medicare Part D, she voted against what turned out to be a useless program in ‘No child left behind’, she fought Obamacare and aligned herself with the Tea Party before there was any idea where the wind was blowing. She has been with us over and over again and her depth of principle is Presidential. She doesn’t blow in the wind. Now she just needs to convince people she is up to the job of President. I think that she is and most importantly she is undoubtedly conservative. Bachmann also will have the luxury of choosing a VP that can boost her standings and she doesn’t have the baggage.

Let’s at least go to the firing line for someone we can trust. She’s the only candidate in the race who has never betrayed us. She also isn’t a naive nut on foreign policy who thinks Iran and radical Muslims are only targeting us because we pissed them off. Nor is she a Christian Socialist like Santorum appears to be at heart.

We need to stop looking for the ‘acceptable’ candidate as if the left or media will ever accept our candidate. We need to change the paradigm and choose a candidate based upon the principles we hold true and their ability to stand up for the America we believe in and love.

Watching the arguments and apologetics for the same old political retreads is so disappointing. I thought we were looking for change from the the status quo in 2010. Instead we are only slightly removed from the bad reasoning that led to defeat in 2008. Even now we have congressional leaders acting as though they can just roll the ball forward and ‘run out the clock’. What we have is a strategy to fail. We are letting the media and the same old bad arguments from the inside the beltway crowd drive us like sheep. Look at the herd mentality as we swarm from one candidate to another according to the polls.

Let us put a stake in the ground because time is running out and their is no one candidate that will save us. That is our job. The candidate we choose will either be a vessel of the Constitution, the people, and God which grants us our liberty or they will be something less. Haven’t we had enough of something less? Let’s choose with a clear heart and mind for once unclouded by chorus of confusion of our politics. A house built on sand will not stand.


73 posted on 12/19/2011 5:18:12 AM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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Bachmann is nothing more than a would-be spoiler. If anyone thinks Newt shoots from the hip, Bachmann has him solidly beaten in that department. She may be conservative, but she is a back-bencher who will do more to turn off independents and Dems than Newt.

She will not “come back.”


74 posted on 12/19/2011 5:42:42 AM PST by CASchack
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If Newt can rise from the dead, Michele can, too.

The problem with that thinking is that Bachmann, and Perry, had shot to the top and then fell hard and fast after folks got a good look at them.

Gingrich was never where Bachmann and Perry were at, and therefore never had a huge group of people who looked at him, liked him for a bit, then decided he wasn't their candidate. Gingrich has had to be patient and build up to this moment. He also benefits from a lot of solid debates, especially the last two where the MSM ABC and Fox News moderators were trying to take him down and couldn't. People were impressed with that.
75 posted on 12/19/2011 6:11:09 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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