Posted on 12/16/2011 3:04:45 PM PST by RobinMasters
This man is a rambling fool. Ron Paul's answer on the question of Iran is so far removed from common sense it isn't even funny. Bret Baier points out that his position is to the left of Barack Obama.
Take a look at this video and keep in mind, Glenn Beck would consider voting for this clown over Newt Gingrich.
Here's the video :
Ron Paul Republican Iowa Debate on Iran
(Excerpt) Read more at hapblog.com ...
Yo Ron, Iran would want nukes if we didn’t exist. Get a clue.
Dennis Kucinich with an M.D. and a gimmick.
Let’s get this out of the way first-Iran is a nutjob country with ridiculous leaders.
That said, I saw a map of American military installations in the region. It runs up and down both the Eastern and Western borders of Iran. Imagine if a country with which we had previously been at odds having military along the entire Canadian and Mexican borders of this country. That is the Iranian situation currently.
It is understandable they feel slightly anxious.
I was in that same thread yesterday...it was a good map driving the point home...
Who can blame the Iranian’s for reacting the way they are...Russians are reacting the same way as well in Eastern Europe.
That’s what that little spat between Putin and Bush was all about back at the Olympics...when the Georgia stuff blew up.
=8-)
What really caught my attention with that map is the fact that Pakistan is not too far from Israel, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, etc....and they have nukes. Those are in a compromise position as we speak.
The entire world IMHO is running on “edge” right now. I think that is what Ron Paul is trying to get across to people. A kinda “cool our jets” message I guess...
=8-)
I wonder why ronpaul never brings that up in his tearful pleading for understanding of poor wittle Iran?
They started a war then but we were in no way suppose to respond or consider them a threat.
They have been ranting for 30 years how they are going to kill us but that was only because we were going to build bases 20 years in the future. Apparently they have crystal balls.
History began before yesterday.
They want it. It doesn’t matter who “promotes it.” They have made up their minds.
Oh My Gosh. Is this idiot that stupid?
This statement reflects cowardice and appeasement. It also is either an outright lie from a moron, or an unbelievably ignorant belief.
The guy is a looney toon.
Of course all those bases have been built since 1979 when Iran decided to hold our embassy staff prisoner. . .History began before yesterday.
To be fair though you seem to be forgetting the entire TPAJAX Project in 1953 in which the United States CIA, along with the Brits, orchestrated the overthrow of the democratically elected PM Mosaddeq and gave all power over to the Shah. The Iranian people resented this to no end and it was probably the primary cause of the Islamic Revolution of 1979 in which Shah was also overthrown and the Ayatollahs were put into power. It is hard to be surprised at the reaction of the Iranians to our people in their country after we actively overturned their elected leaders and supported a man they saw as a tyrant for twenty years. I don't excuse the lunatics in Iran today, but at the same time, as you say, history began before yesterday.
You know what the phenomenon of Ron Paul proves is the awesome power of self-delusion in the face of what we humans don’t want to face/do!
Believe me I know more about Occupy-Iran islamist rulers than most here and that regime’s ultimate goal is not just self-preservation. It never was!
Mossedeq tried to overthrow the constitutional monarchy and usurp power. And the Islamists didn’t like the socialists.
No matter how one thinks of Mossedeq, he was democratically elected under their constitution and we overthrew him. This was a sovereign state and we controlled it effectively for 25+ years. Is it really at all surprising to anyone that by 1979 we would not be seen as anything but the bad guys by the Iranian people? We had no business, or right for that matter, to go into Iran and actually implement a coup to overthrow their elected leaders. People don't like it, but we made that bed and we are now lying in it.
And no it really had nothing to do with the "Islamic Revolution" which was sponsored by the USSR. So sorry but you attempt to excuse the Iranian barbarity is noted and dismissed as the nonsense that it is.
And sure you excuse the Iranian lunatics of today, yesterday and everyday. After all they call the USA the Great Satan and Israel the Little Satan so they are to be loved, cosseted, made excuses for and defended.
It is really interesting how someone who "loves" their country never does anything but cut it down and side with it's enemies.
Don't confuse their little fantasy with reality.
After all, in their world if an ally asks us for help we should never give it.
I’m really not sure of the answer here, but in line with a frequent meaning of “nationalize,” did:
“Mossedeq’s move in 1951 to nationalize the oil industry”
mean stealing oil companies property and other assets?
PS. 1954 was not the first time we intervened in Iran. In 1941, the pro-Hitler Reza Shah asked for our help in preventing the Anglo-Soviet invasion. FDR rebuffed him. We supported the installation of the new Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. We also intervened to help the Iranians retake northern Iran in 1946.
And no it really had nothing to do with the "Islamic Revolution" which was sponsored by the USSR. So sorry but you attempt to excuse the Iranian barbarity is noted and dismissed as the nonsense that it is.
Sorry, but you seem rather confused. I don't recall having "excused" anything. I merely followed through on what you stated regarding history starting today. I agree, it didn't start today. But, neither did it start in 1979. Conveniently forgetting the facts of wrong-headed international shenanigans is not productive. There seems to be an idea going around that American foreign policy is infallible, and never gives way to boneheaded moves. Oddly, this is often followed up with charges that Obama is going to get us killed with his foreign policy. (I dare you to figure that one out.)
And sure you excuse the Iranian lunatics of today, yesterday and everyday.
Again, who is excusing them? I don't excuse any of them, but neither do I excuse the morons who chose to overthrow their government and earn their barbaric hatred for the following several generations. Why do people insist that we can take a crap on people and still expect them to like us? If that were true then why is everybody here so pissed off at Obama, again, for his idiotic rudeness to the British people regarding the bust of Churchill? Naturally we believe this upsets our friends across the pond, as I think they say over there, but then we think we can actually perpetrate coups in Islamic countries and they will just love us. How silly.
After all they call the USA the Great Satan and Israel the Little Satan so they are to be loved, cosseted, made excuses for and defended.
But, you see, that is my point. If we had not done as we did in the 50s they would likely have not called us that. Sure, they would probably not love us, but then neither do Canadians. Last I checked, however, there isn't a Death to America Day in Toronto.
It is really interesting how someone who "loves" their country never does anything but cut it down and side with it's enemies.
So, your position is that admitting stupid moves sixty years ago which have led to constant fighting and discord is "siding with our enemies"? I can't imagine what passes for conservative these days. At one point in time responsibility for an error was a conservative virtue. If we did something wrong it was considered proper to admit it and learn from it. Now, apparently, we are to simply pretend we have been perfect throughout history and cannot possibly make mistakes. Sounds like a great plan for success, and it is perfectly crafted on the model of the liberal Left.
I’m really not sure of the answer here, but in line with a frequent meaning of “nationalize,” did: “Mossedeq’s move in 1951 to nationalize the oil industry” mean stealing oil companies property and other assets?
Yep, but them's the breaks, as they say. When you invest in such barbaric places sometimes you get the short end of it. We are living with the results of our response to that act by Iran in 1951 and it was a bad idea. Staging a coup in Iran has not done anything good for the world or us and it is very odd, in my opinion, for people calling themselves conservative to go about pretending otherwise. We should learn a lesson from history on this point and reconsider doing the same things again and again and again all for the same ends.
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