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The GOP policy problem - Did Newt endorse Comparative Effective Research?
Washington Monthly ^ | December 14th | Jonathan Bernstein

Posted on 12/14/2011 5:39:18 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

Jonathan Cohn has yet another excellent example: Newt was an enthusiastic backer (with John Kerry!) of comparative effectiveness research - that is, having the government collect data about which medical treatments actually work. That was way back in 2008, but as Cohn points out, after it became part of ACA a few months later it immediately became evil socialist rationing, something that Gingrich can now get in trouble for with conservatives on the campaign trail.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gingrich; obamacare
Anybody here have an opinion on the substance of this? This is all a bunch of leftists lauding themselves, so I'm not ready to take it at face value, but Gingrich did indeed author an article together with John Kerry here, and this is not looking good.

Why is it that every time I turn around, Gingrich finds himself on the side of bigger and bigger government?

1 posted on 12/14/2011 5:39:26 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Do you have a candidate that you post in favor of, or do you only exist to tear down? You are becoming a characterization.


2 posted on 12/14/2011 5:42:29 PM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: Grunthor

Yeah. Santorum. I’d support Bachmann too. The media have proven they fear Perry, so I’d go that way too. All of them have certain things that stink, but none of them paint a full featured picture of big government like Mitt and Newt do.


3 posted on 12/14/2011 5:51:30 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Grunthor

the government collecting data on which medical treatments actually work.

The HORROR!!

ROFL


4 posted on 12/14/2011 5:51:59 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Why is it that every time I turn around, Gingrich finds himself on the side of bigger and bigger government?

If you have these questions about Gingrich or Romney, you can always take a look at Perry, Bachmann or Santorum.

5 posted on 12/14/2011 5:53:09 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I can respect that and look forward to reading your negative attacks on Romney.


6 posted on 12/14/2011 5:55:18 PM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Newt was an enthusiastic backer (with John Kerry!) of comparative effectiveness research — that is, having the government collect data about which medical treatments actually work

Guys. Somehow, I don't see this as the issue on which the election will turn. Collecting data about effectiveness of medical treatments is something the government does.

7 posted on 12/14/2011 6:01:55 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
As with so terribly many ideas Democrats think to be strokes of genius, this one had a brief flash and then sank beneath the waves.

Currently science ~ real science ~ is talking about custom cures tailored to individual needs ~ particularly for cancer. The earlier idea was a sort of statistical averaging thing that would tell us which medical procedures worked best for just anybody ~ but without any concern for ethnic dissimilarities, and certainly not for individual differences.

I think most everybody who's real in medical research has ignored this as just more useless propaganda.

No doubt the Democrats still want to do it and spend vast sums building new offices for doctors who support them with campaign funds.

8 posted on 12/14/2011 6:14:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: AndyJackson
As long as the data is then made freely available to anyone who ask for it. I don't see a problem. Might actually be something useful the government could do!
9 posted on 12/14/2011 6:27:11 PM PST by Reily
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Medicare does seem destined to implode no matter what. Rationing, low reimbursement, regulation/compliance and medical records will drive providers out of Medicate. I personally hope that Congress does not pass the doctor fix this year; it’s a meaningless band aid solution. Allowing doctors to privately contract with Medicare patients would improve access for many seniors. The government middleman adds no value to healthcare.


10 posted on 12/14/2011 6:48:00 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“Collecting data about effectiveness of medical treatments is something the government does.”

And this is somehow a bad thing?


11 posted on 12/14/2011 6:50:14 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Grunthor

With Romney’s seeming implosion and the media’s seeming turn against him, you probably won’t see anymore. Romney just isn’t the big government republican threat he was a few weeks ago. Newt is that threat now.

But you can see what I’ve done in the past, and it isn’t pretty. I’d bet you will learn things about Romney’s record you did not know from seeing what I have posted.

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Satisfied?


12 posted on 12/14/2011 7:11:57 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: writer33

I have. And I’m not seeing anything near as bad for those three as I have found for Mitt and Newt.

I am in the same position as Mark Levin. I’ll be rooting for Santorum. Bachmann as a close second.


13 posted on 12/14/2011 7:14:02 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Well, let’s hope that both of those two do well enough to keep them around until Florida or so.


14 posted on 12/14/2011 7:16:55 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Parley Baer; TexasFreeper2009; AndyJackson; muawiyah; Reily; grumpygresh; Grunthor; writer33

I guess I’m the only one around here who remembers the controversy around CER. This is an important part of making Obamacare “work”.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/05/31/how-obamacare-will-kill-americans/

Essentially, they can’t ration against us if they don’t know where to ration. They have to research it.

And if I’ve misread any of yours’ posts then I apologize.


15 posted on 12/14/2011 7:24:14 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

If it smells like big government, it probably is. :-)


16 posted on 12/14/2011 7:27:45 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

If you could take Bachmann and merge her with Santorum, you’d have as close to a perfect candidate as you could get.


17 posted on 12/14/2011 7:41:28 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

comparative effectiveness research, itself, is certainly not a bad thing, if medical folks are making decisions on care

but, if you read that section of the obamacare bill- it can be a scary thing

as the bill specifically states that govt folks can/will deny coverage, for procedures & drugs, deemed not effective, based on those studies

one can hope the govt folks won’t be selective in which studies they deem to use...

just an fyi

~Kate


18 posted on 12/14/2011 9:05:36 PM PST by Hush44
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“Satisfied?”

Quite.


19 posted on 12/14/2011 9:44:10 PM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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