Posted on 12/11/2011 6:18:26 AM PST by FlJoePa
STATE COLLEGE -- Minutes after Mike McQueary says he stumbled upon something between Jerry Sandusky and a boy in a Penn State shower in 2002, he went to his father’s State College home seeking advice.
There, Dr. Jonathan Dranov, a family friend and colleague of McQueary’s father, sat with the then 28-year-old graduate assistant and listened to his very first account of what he had seen, a source told The Patriot-News.
According to the source with knowledge of Dranov’s testimony before the grand jury, it went like this:
McQueary heard "sex sounds" and the shower running, and a young boy stuck his head around the corner of the shower stall, peering at McQueary as an adult arm reached around his waist and pulled him back out of view.
Seconds later, Sandusky left the shower in a towel.
That account is different from the hand-written statement obtained by The Patriot-News that McQueary provided for investigators when he was interviewed in 2010.
It’s also different than the summary of his grand jury testimony in the 23-page initial grand jury presentment.
In both of those accounts, McQueary says he witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a boy as he stood with his hands against a shower wall.
McQueary says the pair turned and looked at him before he left.
However, Dranov told grand jurors that he asked McQueary three times if he saw anything sexual, and three times McQueary said no, according to the source.
Because of that response, the source says, Dranov told McQueary that he should talk to his boss, head football coach Joe Paterno, rather than police.
The next day Paterno and McQueary talked, and Paterno’s response to the conversation was widely scrutinized when the grand jury presentment was made public in November.
Paterno said graphic detail, such as rape, was never mentioned to him. But public outcry led to his firing five days after Sandusky was charged.
But more importantly than public opinion, Mike McQueary’s story is a key element to all the criminal cases involved in the Sandusky scandal.
His witness testimony was the only evidence of an assault in 2002 presented to grand jurors, and his detailed account is the reason that perjury charges were filed against two ousted Penn State officials. Both said they were told only about horseplay that made McQueary uncomfortable, while McQueary testified he told them explicit details about a rape.
Repeated attempts to reach McQueary over the past month for comment have been unsuccessful. McQueary was placed on leave after receiving death threats as a result of his testimony about allegations against Jerry Sandusky from people who believe he did not do enough to stop the alleged assault.
Friday, former Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz will face a preliminary hearing on charges of perjury and failure to report a crime.
The case against them is dependent on the premise that McQueary’s testimony is more credible than theirs. Saturday, attorneys for Curley and Schultz issued this statement in response to Dranov’s testimony:
"We have not seen the grand jury transcript, so it would be imprudent to comment on its content. But, if this information is true, and we believe it is, it would be powerful, exculpatory evidence, and the charges against our clients should be dismissed."
His testimony might also be important on Tuesday to the case against Sandusky.
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Vowing to prove his innocence, Sandusky and his attorney, Joe Amendola, are sure to point out the inconsistencies in McQueary’s statements at a preliminary hearing in Bellefonte. Sandusky has been charged with more than 50 counts and maintained his innocence.
Since charges were filed Nov. 4, several variations of McQueary’s story have come out publicly.
His grand jury testimony says he heard slapping noises and saw a boy being sodomized by Sandusky. His hand-written statement to police says, "I did not see insertion. I am certain that sexual acts/the young boy being sodomized was occurring." He says the whole incident lasted about a minute. In an email he sent to friends following the firing of Joe Paterno, he says "I made sure it stopped," something not mentioned in the grand jury testimony or police statement. And now Dranov’s testimony describes a new scenario.
About two months after the incident McQueary describes in March 2002, Dranov and McQueary’s father, John, both physicians, had an unrelated meeting scheduled at Penn State with Gary Schultz, Dranov told the grand jury, according to the source.
Curious about how the story ended, Dranov inquired about what ever happened to Sandusky.
According to a source with knowledge of his testimony, Schultz told him then-university President Graham Spanier had met with Sandusky.
That’s something that isn’t mentioned in the grand jury presentment.
Spanier, who was forced to resign the same night Paterno was fired, testified before the grand jury that he had signed off on a decision to ban Sandusky from bringing children to the locker rooms in the future; however, Spanier, Curley and Schultz all deny they were ever informed a sexual assault occurred that night.
Attempts to reach Dranov were unsuccessful.
Sandusky, through Amendola, has offered yet another version of what happened in the showers. He doesn’t deny there was a boy showering with Sandusky that night, but Amendola says the child was surfing in the shower — horsing around — and never saw McQueary come into the locker room.
Instead, Amendola says, a few days later Sandusky was contacted by Curley, told that someone felt uncomfortable about what they’d seen, and Sandusky gave the name and phone number of the boy to Curley to help clear up the situation.
The grand jury report points out that no effort was made to contact the boy.
In the paragraph prior to the section dealing with JoePa, the presentment states McQueary described to JoePa, “...what he had seen.”
Whatever that may be.
And so we see an odd game of the children’s game of “telephone”.
McQueary sees anal rape in the shower.
He describes “what he has seen” to JoePa.
Joe - according to the presentment - describes showering in the nude with fondling, or something of a sexual nature.
Curley describes horseplay
Shultz describes horseplay or something of a not too serious nature.
And, coincidentally, that is exactly how Sandusky describes it himself during his television interviews....”horseplay”
So...after all of this, in 2002, Sandusky still shows up to Penn State Football events...practices, banquets, overnights at Toftrees, tailgates...with young boys in full view of these men who carried on these strange discussions about him.
Joe’s version of the events are in the presentment. I assumed you had read it?
Here is one link...
“http://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf";
Go to page 6.
Administrators duties do not cease just because there is a break, especially when there is something this serious going on. I assume they must have cell phones?
And if they cannot be reached?
All the more reason to pick up the phone yourself and call the police.
he didnt need to locate him, he was right there !!
what are you talking about? i was talking about intervening at the point he made the observation. thats when the parents, and probably the police needed to be called in.
not later. he left while a kid was being molested! thats as serious a crime against man and God as there is. he will go to hell for being a coward, and deserves to. he put his own career ahead of the kids welfare.
No. The AG's version of Joe's version of the events are in the presentment.
For later
“There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law.”
oh I see!
you think they didn’t accurately portray Paterno’s testimony?
Has JoePa, or his son, claimed this?
Never claimed that at all - nor do I think it is the case.
I would just like to see his actual testimony. In quotes. I’d hope for an interview at some point, but with his health...
Why can’t people like you WAIT until all the facts come in before you kick 61 years of impeccable service to the curb like its yesterday’s trash?
Why?
well sure - we are in complete agreement about that.
And once he left - he lost that chance to get the child immediately to the hospital.
He also lost the ability to quickly identify him - and find his parents.
But it didn’t stop there....every “adult” right on down the line failed the boy too.
A bunch of people pretending to “do something”, when all they did was make phone calls amongst each other, and have meetings with each other. The police were not involved in this lame so-called “action”.
And what was the response from the university?
Hey Jerry - we don’t want you bringing those boys on the main campus...however, you can still conduct those overnight football camps at our satellite campuses.
Jerry’s response? He kept right on bringing those boys with him to Penn State football events..in full view of these “men” who supposedly disciplined him.
Their response?.....crickets.
It wasn’t until victim #1’s mother got wind of what was going on that the wheels of justice, very slowly, started to roll.
well sure - we are in complete agreement about that.
And once he left - he lost that chance to get the child immediately to the hospital.
He also lost the ability to quickly identify him - and find his parents.
But it didn’t stop there....every “adult” right on down the line failed the boy too.
A bunch of people pretending to “do something”, when all they did was make phone calls amongst each other, and have meetings with each other. The police were not involved in this lame so-called “action”.
And what was the response from the university?
Hey Jerry - we don’t want you bringing those boys on the main campus...however, you can still conduct those overnight football camps at our satellite campuses.
Jerry’s response? He kept right on bringing those boys with him to Penn State football events..in full view of these “men” who supposedly disciplined him.
Their response?.....crickets.
It wasn’t until victim #1’s mother got wind of what was going on that the wheels of justice, very slowly, started to roll.
IIRC wasn’t Curely in charge of the police.
I’m assuming the presentment is accurately describing JoePa’s testimony. Why wouldn’t they?
And if they did not, it seems the Paternos would have disputed it and requested a correction or retraction.
So far - the fact is that he did not call the police. The presentment describes a chain of events whereby a series of men kicked the can down the road while a child rape victim went home with no one to help him.
JoePa did indeed have a stellar career.
One reason I admired him, at one point, is because I thought he might be the last person to behave like this.
With all due respect, you have no idea how he behaved. All you know is a leaked GJ summary. Paterno did go to Curley and Schultz (responsible for PSU Police-who had jurisdiction). Paterno saw nothing himself. He could have easily told McQueary to take care of it himself, but he went the extra step. Now it seems mcQueary has had multiple stories; we have no idea what he told Paterno in the first place.
As usual, the media mob has taken over before the facts are known. Pretty ironic since Paterno's biggest critic, ESPN, sat on a tape for over 8 years.
so...if someone close to you ever comes to you and gives you an eyewitness account of a crime that was committed, you think it is acceptable to wait a day before calling anyone?
We do know JoePa waited a day...it’s in the report, he testified to it.
And after that - a week went by before the next meeting.
Would you, or would you not call the police yourself?
And if you did not...would you urge the eyewitness to call the police?
“Extra step”?? really now. What good did that extra step do to anyone except Penn State and the rapist?
No follow up. No help for the victim.
And afterwards?
The pedophile continues to abuse children.
And who must have seen him, time after time, at football events, breakfasts, practices - with a young boy?
The very same man who, you say, “went the extra step”
so...if someone close to you ever comes to you and gives you an eyewitness account of a crime that was committed, you think it is acceptable to wait a day before calling anyone?
We do know JoePa waited a day...it’s in the report, he testified to it.
And after that - a week went by before the next meeting.
Would you, or would you not call the police yourself?
And if you did not...would you urge the eyewitness to call the police?
“Extra step”?? really now. What good did that extra step do to anyone except Penn State and the rapist?
No follow up. No help for the victim.
And afterwards?
The pedophile continues to abuse children.
And who must have seen him, time after time, at football events, breakfasts, practices - with a young boy?
The very same man who, you say, “went the extra step”
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Scotswife has been following this very carefully and her comments are excellent. Basically many people obviously knew that Sandusky was a serial homosexual child rapist, and they did nothing.
Campus police.
Which, clearly, were not up to the job.
And as the boy was not a college student it would be fitting to call the local State College police, yes?
Unless you aren’t all that concerned with actually finding him and helping him.
Ask yourself this: Why would Paterno have a need to cover up for a retired coach who no longer reported to him? If he wanted to cover up he could have called everyone liars and claimed ignorance like Boeheim has.
Go to the Grand Jury Presentment, page 6, and you will see what JoePa described.
If you heard something like this, yourself, what would you do?
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