[DoughtyOne]

The post I was responding to originally implied that Cain was this self made wealthy guy. I questioned that premise.

Please point out to me what justified this statement of yours then.

"The cult of Cain is suc a curious thing. He is self made without question, and deserves credit for that. I think people would be surprised if they saw that his net worth is probably not close to what he portrays,..."  LINK

This is what I responded to earlier by stating I have never heard him, his staff, or his supporters address his net worth.  My having followed him for months, and having never heard his net worth addressed, it made it quite clear to me that you were blowing smoke on that issue.

Then you seemed to have been saying something diametrically opposed to what you're saying here, regarding him being a self-made man.  Earlier you said, he was self-made and deserved credit for it, and now you're saying you question the same premise.

You say you have been following Cain for months, so have I. If you go back a few months you will see posts from me where I actually SUPPORTED his candidacy.

Well that's pretty strange, because some of the things you take him to task for are years old, some over a decade.  Here is another quote from the same post I clipped from above.

"After he left Pillsbury (Godfathers) he did a couple years running NRA at $250k or so, and then a radio talk show which basically failed."  LINK

I changed my mind because of two things. First was the NRA fiasco.

The NRA fiasco as you describe it, was based on his tenure there in the late 1990s.  None the less you state that just months ago you were a big Cain supporter.  Color me not buying into that claim.

Like I said, the sex did not bother me, the lifestyle he was living at NRA’s expense did. 

Nope, sorry, over ten years later you claim you were a Cain supporter.  His NRA activities didn't bother you two months ago, but they do now.  Your story doesn't hold water.

I have met and even worked for people who live that type of lifestyle on other peoples money (ie corporate CEO’s or in this case POTUS candidate) I have 0 respect for that type of person because the guy we have in the White House is a perfect example of what happens when people with that philosophy gain power.

No, the guy in the White House is a perfect example of what you get with a devout Leftist who is a fellow traveler of Soros, Ayers, Wright, Fahrakan et al.  You leave a whole lot out of that equation, something a guy likely to support Cain couldn't have.

The second thing that turned me away from Cain was his utter lack of depth on most issues, especially foreign policy. It reminded me of watching Palin at the debates, furiously trying to remember the talking points someone had tried to squeeze into her head.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Cain's foreign policy depth either.  That doesn't mean that over time he couldn't have improved.  I didn't attack him on that front, because I wanted to see where he would go from here.  We are not blessed with a deep body of people we can draw from this year.  Cain does seem to have business savvy and a fairly good grasp on the free market economy vs Obama's fascist leanings.

Your ad hominem attacks on me reveal more about yourself than the issue at hand.

I'm just shocked to see you spin it that way.   /s  No, your professed support for Cain despite your knowledge of things that took place over a decade ago that you are now using as a reason not to support him, lead me to peg you just about right.  You're a fraud.

I have been a FReeper for a decade, but am finding it more and more an intolerant forum of those who would rather blindly follow a person rather than the conservative ideals FR purports to support.

Watching you try to pass off untruths, is not my idea of the ideals FR purports to support.

Cain was out of his depth, his motives totally suspect now that the bimbo eruptions have forced him out of the race, and was woefully unprepared intellectually for the rigors of a campaign for POTUS.

I love the way you pass of what the Left pulled on Cain, as if this was all his fault, and his loss of traction was somehow evidence of not being prepaired.

So far we have no idea if the charges, any of them, against him were true or not.  Big corporations often settle cases to maintain their credibility.  Why should I or anyone else come to the conclusion that Cain is guilty of any of this?  Absent that conclusion, I am not going to trash him for not being able to counter things he could very likely not have done.  You can't prove a negative.  You can only tell the truth and hope that folks that "supposedly" support you, will have enough common sense to reach reasoned conclusions.

My premise is that you can look just as presidential at the Holiday Inn as you can at the Ritz Carlton. How many times did you see Cain on TV from either hotel? The hotel he stays at is irrelevent to his campaign other than the huge waste of money it was.

Okay ace, let's discuss the possible cost to the campaign.  If Cain could have spent $5 million dollars, and instead spent $10 million, what is that in the overall scheme of things related to a run for the presidency where $500 to $700 million dollars would be spent?  Say, have you been spending time in parks sleeping in tents lately?  Sounds like you're a good candidate for that sort of thing.

Finally, I made no comment on whether GWB was a good POTUS or not, I merely related as FACT that I know his campaign was more conservative with how they spent their cash on hotels during their first campaign for POTUS in 2000.

That and a ten cents won't get you a pack of gum these days.  Once again, here you are expressing the mindset of the Occupy America participants.  Class envy, judging others, loathing successful people as if they are sinners for political gain, is this what you want to look like to others?  Is that an example of the Conservative Ideals FR purports to support?

You seem to have invested too much in Cain. A healthy skepticism of all candidates will help protect you from such profound disappointment you evidently are feeling now that Cain has been exposed and removed himself from the race.

1. Cain supposedly spent too much as director of the NRA over ten years ago.  Knowledge of this ended your strong support for him, since two months ago.
2. The NRA settled two harrassment suits involving charges against Cain.  Evidently you think his is part of what has been exposed about him, even though it is not proof he did a single thing wrong.
3. You don't like that he tried to loft a radio show and failed.  Yes, you have revealed that to us.
4. He stays at nice hotels.  Yes, that has now been revealed.
5. He eats at nice restaurants.  Yes, that has now been revealed.
6. Several women have stated he done them wrong years ago.  Yes those claims have been revealed.
7. One woman says he had an affair with her over 13 years.  She has no proof and his wife still supports him.  Yes, that has been revealed.

Anotherwords, your support for Cain was so honest and true, that nothing having been proven concerning him, unsubstantiated charges going back over a decade, and spending that didn't seem to bother the organizations he worked for, are cause for you to abandon ship and trash him.

I honestly haven't invested too much in Cain.  I will defend anyone against nonsensical charges by someone whose story doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[milwguy]

1. Example of my posts in EARLY OCT about Cain.....Raising Cain and loving it! Romney and the RINO’s who worship him are in for the shock of their lifetime as the GodFather blows by them in the polls and comes out of nowhere to defeat the elite moneyed east coast wing of the Party.

1 posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:45:40 PM by milwguy

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2. Cain’s NRA spending Wash Post....Nov. 3, 2011.......Bloomberg’s Lisa Lerer spoke to former National Restaurant Association employees and reported: “Cain was known for lavish spending, they said, racking up cellphone and travel bills that drew accountants’ attention and angered some board members . . .

“There were few checks on Cain’s travel budget as he traveled to chapters across the country, said one former employee.”

The organization also footed the bill for Cain to live for a time in the luxurious Jefferson Hotel, in downtown Washington, D.C., while Cain’s family remained in Georgia.

Cain LEFT before his 3 year term was up, and although nobody knows the reasons, the spending and two sexual harassment settlements very likely prodded the board to push him out early.

3. October 27, 2011|By James Oliphant

Herman Cain has said he was “po’” before he was poor. But he’s not anymore.

According to recently certified financial disclosure forms, the former pizza chain executive has an estimated net worth of somewhere between $2.9 million and $6.8 million.

4.Cain’s failed talk show was reported by local talker Mark Belling at WISN radio. Cain had a show in Atlanta but the national syndication failed to get off the ground.

5. Cain could have/SHOULD have DEMANDED the NRA release all pertinent documents regarding the two settlements that were made in relation to the women who claimed sexual harassment. Let the people decide afetr seeing the allegations if they had merit. The fact he didn’t speaks volumes. The fact he didn’t is even more pertinent when the last bimbo emerged and Herman said he was paying her for years, his wife did not know the woman at all, and they were just friends. Those statements do not pass the smell test when you are speaking of a THREE time divorcee.

6. Class envy? That is the funniest charge yet you have made. I live in one of the three most republican counties in Wisconsin, the one with the highest per capita income in the state, in one of the wealthiest suburbs in the county, own my own house, and both my wife and I have very nice incomes. Put our two kids through college (one started at Hillsdale btw) and pay more taxes than I care to talk about. I have spent a large part of my career working for/with very wealthy people, flown of private planes

I did ‘occupy Madison’ last winter, but only in support of Gov. Walker at a TeaParty rally (where coincidentally Herman Cain spoke). There were a few thousand of us there on the lawn of the capitol building, while 25,000 or so public union leeches marched around the building chanting for their ‘collective bargaining rights’.

Why you would defend Cain is beyond me. Cain would not defend himself for God’s sake. If his positions were defensible, any PR person could have told him how to get out in front of the situation. His tactic of deny and ignore, then admit to some things but not the sex is pretty pathetic. His wife’s support for him is between the two of them, but I am sure my wife would not be quite so understanding if I knew a gal for 13 years and had been sending her cash to ‘help her’......