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To: jpsb
"Interesting thanks. My take on the differences between Marxists and American conservatives. Note that both systems have the same goals, a just society. However their views of a just society are vastly different. Marxists believe man is inherently evil, by evil I mean greedy and a willingness to do anything to gain power over his fellow man. To keep his evil in check it is necessary to have a big government that can provide each and all the things required to survive. By having all men equal in there material processions mans' greed is kept in check. American Conservatives view man in a more biblical context. A basically good but flawed creature. To keep man good requires a mostly religious citizenry with a government just big enough to defend society from foreign enemies and right the injustices that are bond to occur.

You're welcome.

I dsagree with both your premises above. Many present day philosophies and worldviews claim that people are basically good and that bad or immoral behavior is the exception.

“Whenever I meet someone who claims to find faith in God impossible, but who persists in believing in the essential goodness of humanity, I know that I have met a person for whom evidence is irrelevant.” ~ Dennis Prager ( Ultimate Issues , July- September, 1989)

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“All of this wisdom has been dangerously undermined by the foolish notion that man is basically good..” ~ Michael Ledeen (American Enterprise Institute)

Excerpted from:

War and Democracy

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As far as the "Left" (Marxists, et.al) goes, any so-called "beliefs" these losers hold about constitutional conservatives are merely PROJECTIONS of their own greed and envy. bttt

If you are a true leftist, then you shall covet....[and] one way to manage one's own envy is to project it into others and then try to appease it.

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"In his classic work, Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior, Helmut Schoeck notes that our most economically misguided ideas stem from the futile attempt to eliminate envy. In order to placate the envious individual, government must intervene with policies that do achieve the desired end of of creating more equality, but at the cost of inefficiency, lack of economic growth, and ultimately far less wealth for everyone. Only by tolerating envy is economic development possible: "the more both private individuals and the custodians of political power in a given society are able to act as though there were no such thing as envy, the greater will be the rate of economic growth and the number of innovations in general." A society is best able to achieve its creative potential if it functions "as if the envious person could be ignored." Likewise, well-meaning leftists who seek the completely "just society" are doomed to failure because they are based on the idea that it is possible to eliminate envy, when human beings inevitably find something new to envy. ...."

HERE

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"....if we could somehow eliminate envy from the human genome, there would be almost no reason for the left to exist. They would instantly lose that which animates them, for example, envy masquerading as justice or economic theory. In order to be happy, we must all keep our envy in check, because envy is the opposite of gratitude. Envy does not appreciate what one has, only what one doesn't have. And our capacity to imagine what we do not have--and that someone else is enjoying it--is literally infinite, as is envy. .." HERE

120 posted on 11/19/2011 11:51:10 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Matchett-PI
Not sure what you are disagreeing with but one of my favorites is

"If G*d did not exist mankind would be forced to invent Him."

Voltaire I think, might be wrong about that.

127 posted on 11/19/2011 12:36:04 PM PST by jpsb
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