[Alberta's Child]

We should toss any of those records aside when looking at QBs from a historical perspective -- especially from the era before the salary cap, when it was much harder for an NFL team to build a playoff contender quickly through free agent signings and instead had to rely on the college draft for most of their talent.

It makes sense that most great quarterbacks have poor won-lost records in their first few years, especially if they were drafted as highly touted college QBs. Because NFL teams draft in the reverse order of the standings from previous season, the worst NFL teams get the top picks in the draft the following spring.

Look at Dan Marino. He jumped right into the lineup with Miami in 1983 (he was 7-4 as a starter), made the Pro Bowl his first season, and shredded the NFL record book in 1984 while leading the team to a 14-2 record before losing to the 49ers in the Super Bowl. This early success wasn't just because he was a great quarterback (which he was), but because Miami was already a very strong team before they drafted him. 1983 was the famous "Year of the Quarterback" for the NFL draft, and Marino was still available near the end of the first round when Miami selected him with the #27 pick. He was the sixth QB drafted that year, but enjoyed immediate success largely because the Dolphins were already one of the best teams in the NFL.

Interestingly, three of those six 1983 first-round QBs are in the Hall of Fame -- including Marino, John Elway (selected #1 by the Baltimore Colts but traded to Denver shortly afterward) and Jim Kelly (selected #14 by Buffalo but spent a few years in the USFL before starting his NFL career).

[alstewartfan]

I’ve just looked up Tebow’s throwing stats from his bowl game against Cincinnati. He was 31 of 35 for 482 (!!) yards. Mind you Cincinnati had NO LOSSES until facing Tebow’s Gators. Don’t anyone tell me that the man has no potential as a pro passer. Not every great golfer has a conventional swing. Bob

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

It makes sense that most great quarterbacks have poor won-lost records in their first few years

The most notable exception is the guy who seems to be the one everyone loves to hate...but I can't figure why;
Tom Brady. 11 and 3 his first year as starter after Bledsoe got his bell rung good in 2001.

[hinckley buzzard]

You are right about Marino, but he never won the Superbowl. Proving again my observation that the QB position is highly overrated. Compare Ben Roethlisberger, an indifferent draft choice who stepped in after an injury to the starter, to QB an established team that had a powerful running game and a stout run defense. Kept on winning SB's. Anybody could have QB'd the Steelers and won.