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Cult! A Classic False Claim
Mormon Defense League ^ | October 9, 2011 | Mormon Defense League

Posted on 11/12/2011 10:43:37 AM PST by Saundra Duffy

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To: Elsie

The Wolf wolf endless cries....


41 posted on 11/12/2011 11:08:47 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: Saundra Duffy
People around these parts have been playing fast and loose with this term and I thought it was high time to speak up about it.

Sandy; you CHOOSE to be in a CULT; and it's HIGH TIME that you were TOLD about it!

Again and

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42 posted on 11/12/2011 11:09:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy

I see what you are getting at, but in a cult, you don’t have the freedom to leave. Here we can anytime we wish and no one sends the VK out to drag you back.

Scientology, a classic cult, does that very thing.


43 posted on 11/12/2011 11:09:34 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Now you’ve gone and done it! You’ve poked the Religion Pen where all the Mormon, excuse me, MormonISM haters [er truth tellers]as they like to call themselves, are located. You have unleashed a holy (small H) smattering of quasi-hatred semi-religious scripture-spam that will be forthcoming.

Poke them not, unless you are prepared for battle.


44 posted on 11/12/2011 11:09:45 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Saundra Duffy
I say that the LDS Church is nothing like a cult but just saying that gets me on the hot seat.

No; it shows how IGNORANT you are.

45 posted on 11/12/2011 11:09:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mudcat

Thanks for trying. I see now that this thread - as usual - has been hijacked by the anti Mormons. Same old story. It does no good to post anything further because it will just be buried in the dog pile. Again, thanks.

I do hope and pray that some people will actually read the article and consider it.


46 posted on 11/12/2011 11:11:06 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
There’s money involved and intimidation tactics.

If one does NOT toe the MORMON line; one does NOT go to the HIGHEST level of MORMON heaven.

(Maybe you are still a milk drinking MORMON.)



Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

      Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
      Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

47 posted on 11/12/2011 11:13:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mudcat
We should all get awards for the hottest freep!

 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

48 posted on 11/12/2011 11:14:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Scientology, a classic cult, does that very thing.

Not always.

(VK? what's VK? Visual kei? Is that worse than being pursued by mimes??)

49 posted on 11/12/2011 11:15:16 AM PST by null and void (MSGT Dean Hopkins USMC (ret) WWII-Korea-Vietnam 11/9/1925-10/22/2011 My hero, my Dad)
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To: Mudcat
FReeped the peace-niks in 109 degree heat in Fresno, 7/12/02, along with other brave patriots.

When she meets Joseph Smith (pbuh); it'll be a LOT warmer than that!


JESUS: Hey Smith!       Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But.... 

50 posted on 11/12/2011 11:16:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: momtothree
If you feel Free Republic is a cult... why are you posting on a “Cult site?”

It boosts her strret cred amoung the Faithful...

51 posted on 11/12/2011 11:17:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy

You’re welcome, friend and fellow old-timey freeper.

Keep up the good work!

“Become the change you want to see in the world” is my motto... I’d prefer a GOP with a big enough tent to share fellowship and common political/community interest with Mormons, though I won’t ever be (and never have been) a Mormon myself.


52 posted on 11/12/2011 11:17:29 AM PST by Mudcat (What would Reagan do?)
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To: Saundra Duffy
There is a difference in definitions here and it is critical.

Cult when used in a Christian theologically context means a group that claims to be Christian but really is not. The LDS faith differs significantly from historical Christianity, describes itself as the restored church, and clearly qualifies in the theological context as a cult, meaning beliefs not in accordance with historical Christianity.

In the media cults have come to mean Johnstown and the Branch Dividians. Something clearly not applicable to the LDS Church.

The umbrage being taken on both sides depends on what definition you use. I do not believe that the the basic facts (doctrinal differences) are significantly in dispute, just the labels.

53 posted on 11/12/2011 11:17:48 AM PST by Starwolf
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To: Saundra Duffy
Please note: My Judge is Jesus Christ, my Advocate with the Father - not any puny powerless human.

Please note: Saudra seems to DISAGREE with MORMON leadership.

That is flirting with the Spirit of APOSTACY!!!


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

55 posted on 11/12/2011 11:19:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Gaffer

Poke them not, unless you are prepared for battle.

***

That is so funny just what has been going on for years the antis cry wolf daily!


56 posted on 11/12/2011 11:19:23 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Please note: Saudra seems to DISAGREE with MORMON leadership.




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

57 posted on 11/12/2011 11:20:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

wolfie hollow again...:)


58 posted on 11/12/2011 11:20:32 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: Elsie

I know the tree by its fruits.


59 posted on 11/12/2011 11:20:38 AM PST by null and void (MSGT Dean Hopkins USMC (ret) WWII-Korea-Vietnam 11/9/1925-10/22/2011 My hero, my Dad)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Declaring a private political discussion site like FR — which has certain owner-provided boundaries on what kinds of posts will be tolerated — to be a “cult”, proves that you don’t understand the meaning of the word.


60 posted on 11/12/2011 11:20:51 AM PST by samtheman
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