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To: taxcontrol
The whole process could be a chemical reaction (think your gas-stove burner) between the hydrogen gas (think natural gas) and the oxygen in the zirconia (think oxygen in the air). The whole thing has to be heated (think match or pilot-light) to get it started.

As we know, the reaction between natural gas and oxygen in the air is a very effective way to generate heat, to cook our food or heat our homes. The question is how long does it take to deplete the hydrogen in the fat-catE? The NASA guy apparently believes it is longer than the time used by Rossi.

45 posted on 11/10/2011 2:46:59 PM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat

I’m scratching my head on that length of time issue. That seems like a lot of sustained heat over a long time. Lets take the hydrogen gas example. Hydrogen is very “leaky” and would require a large volume stored in a small space i.e compression. But the more you compress hydrogen, the more leaky it becomes. Also, you are limited by weight.

So with a given weight / volume ratio, it would seem logical to me that someone who knows a whole lot more chemistry and physics than I do, would be able to construct a chart that shows an envelop of practicality for hydrogen gas. If the results are outside of that envelope, then it can’t be hydrogen.

I guess that what I’m trying to understand is at what point do we cross the threshold of all known chemical reactions that can produce the same heat and duration? When we cross that line, we are either into a new chemical reaction which I would think would be a good thing, or we are out of chemical all together and into nuclear.

I’m thinking that if the chemists and physics guys could create some kind of standard that says, if you produce more than X amount of heat over Y time and do it with a system that has Z mass/weight ... then you have exceeded known chemical reactions. But there does not seem to be such an established test point.


58 posted on 11/10/2011 5:05:01 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: expatpat
"The whole process could be a chemical reaction (think your gas-stove burner) between the hydrogen gas (think natural gas) and the oxygen in the zirconia (think oxygen in the air). The whole thing has to be heated (think match or pilot-light) to get it started."

Not enough hydrogen. And no zirconia. Rossi uses nickel.

79 posted on 11/10/2011 7:10:09 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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