I’m scratching my head on that length of time issue. That seems like a lot of sustained heat over a long time. Lets take the hydrogen gas example. Hydrogen is very “leaky” and would require a large volume stored in a small space i.e compression. But the more you compress hydrogen, the more leaky it becomes. Also, you are limited by weight.
So with a given weight / volume ratio, it would seem logical to me that someone who knows a whole lot more chemistry and physics than I do, would be able to construct a chart that shows an envelop of practicality for hydrogen gas. If the results are outside of that envelope, then it can’t be hydrogen.
I guess that what I’m trying to understand is at what point do we cross the threshold of all known chemical reactions that can produce the same heat and duration? When we cross that line, we are either into a new chemical reaction which I would think would be a good thing, or we are out of chemical all together and into nuclear.
I’m thinking that if the chemists and physics guys could create some kind of standard that says, if you produce more than X amount of heat over Y time and do it with a system that has Z mass/weight ... then you have exceeded known chemical reactions. But there does not seem to be such an established test point.
I’m thinking that if the chemists and physics guys could create some kind of standard that says, if you produce more than X amount of heat over Y time and do it with a system that has Z mass/weight ... then you have exceeded known chemical reactions. But there does not seem to be such an established test point.I think that was the point of the article. According to the NASA analyst, Rossi's tests did not run long enough to rule out known processes (stored heat and/or hidden energy sources).
If he ran one of his small units for a week nonstop, there would be no doubt (assuming it was verified that no external source of power was being applied). However, Rossi won't (or can't) do that, and no one else is in a position to do so (unless the "secret" companies Rossi claims to have sold devices to step forward).
For example, in the October 6th test, Rossi promised to run the test "at least 12 hours" and to run the working fluid (water) in a closed loop so there would be no question of how much heat was being generated. He didn't do either of those things. Instead, he ran the test for about 4 hours, and dumped the working fluid down the drain.
In this last test (for his secret customer), he claims that he was generating 470KW of power. But we have to take his word that he was actually turning all of the water into steam. If he was barely generating any steam, then his device was only generating 70KW of heat. And, since it was hooked up to a running 500KW generator the entire time, it's easy to see why some people are skeptical.