Posted on 11/10/2011 12:35:57 PM PST by Johnny B.
According to a slide presentation given by NASA engineer Michael A. Nelson, which New Energy Times obtained under a FOIA request, “Energy Catalyzer” inventor Andrea Rossi failed to conclusively show that his device produced excess heat from a nuclear energy source.
According to Nelson, a NASA engineer who investigates low-energy nuclear reactions and space applications, Rossi did not run his demonstration long enough to prove his extraordinary claim.
At the Sept. 22, 2011 LENR Workshop at NASA Glenn Research Center, Nelson explained that Rossi “would need to run [his experiment] for eight hours or more with a small E-Cat and much longer for an Ottoman [Fat-Cat] to rule out a chemical reaction.”
According to Nelson, it would take “three or more days for a small E-Cat, two or more weeks for an Ottoman [Fat-Cat] E-Cat and several months for a 1 MW plant.”
Brian Ahern, a researcher with expertise in LENR, wrote to New Energy Times with a concise summary of the recent Oct. 28 Rossi demo:
“Rossi has been clever enough to change the trick on each successive demo. Using a secret customer is a great way to allow him to fulfill his promise to demo the 1 MW unit in October. He then evaded conducting the demo transparently by saying that the customer demanded the demo conditions. The “customer’ signed off when Rossi gave him the wink and he shut things down without any measurements by anyone except the shill.
“Occam’s Razor, on the other hand, says that 12 inconclusive demos in succession are not random. It is well planned and orchestrated. He has used the journalists like a team of puppets.”
Both ruled out by the 18 hour "no steam" test done by Levi and Rossi (third test) in which the E-Cat was hooked up directly to the building water supply rather than a water tank.
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You really don’t have a clue do you?
You haven’t been following any of this have you?
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Yes I have, since the first days of Fleischmann–Pons back in 1989.
Probably while you were picking nose in grade school.
Interesting.
***So, the 13 customers he has lined up would be victims, right?13 customers? Can you name any of them? Have any of them published press releases that they have bought an E-Cat? Or are you just playing "Rossi Says" again?
"Rossi Says" is a game, similar to "Simon Says", where any time someone adds the words "Rossi Says" to the beginning of a sentence you're supposed to blindly accept the sentence as being true.
The only significant difference between "Rossi Says" and "Simon Says" is that with "Rossi Says" everybody loses.
BUT, what about the Weak Nuclear force ~ has someone come up with some reason it has to be ruled out?
As long as he’s selling units and has not skipped town, he hasn’t sprung the trap, right?I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he has more customers than he will publicly claim. It could be that each of hundreds of customers thing they're part of a small, select group. Of course, to make that work Rossi would have to keep his customer list secret. Oh, wait...
If he collects a, say, 10% deposit on each $2 million E-Cat from, say, 100 customers, that gives him $20 million without having to actually build a thing. There are many people who would consider that plenty to engage in such a scam. And, let's remember, Rossi has a history of financial fraud.
Trinity Site is still hot from that sort of thing.
Not sure you get a radioactive isotope of nickel, but when you break up a nickel atom you're sure to get something besides nickel. Some of it may be radioactive.
Not sure you get a radioactive isotope of nickel, but when you break up a nickel atom you're sure to get something besides nickel. Some of it may be radioactive.And yet, Rossi doesn't get anything other than what you could get from the closet of a high school chemistry lab.
Since Rossi's sample showed only the normal ratio of natural isotopes, you have to posit numerous different nuclear reactions, one for each stable isotope of Nickel, with each one of those reactions producing only stable isotopes of Copper and Iron, each one producing exactly the same ratios of those isotopes as occur naturally.
If Rossi's sample contained anything other than common metals, then it would be evidence of something interesting going on. But that would have been expensive and difficult to fake. Rossi's sample would be extremely simple and cheap to fake.
And since Rossi has a history of fraud...
Hydrazine could be inside the reactor itself. That’s how racers do it.
Chemical analysis of the inputs is necessary to prove there are no illicit additives.
I don't think there's enough volume there to supply the necessary. Unfortunately, that hydrazine isn't treated in Fletcher's analysis (URL post 99).
"Chemical analysis of the inputs is necessary to prove there are no illicit additives."
Nice, but not "necessary". Specific chemicals can be ruled out by simple modelling, as Fletcher has done.
They also collect taxes by evaluating your lifestyle.
Now, finding things in the debris ~ the most popular theory is this is all LOW ENERGY PHYSICS and the implication is that we are dealing with either THE WEAK NUCLEAR FORCE or just plain old fashioned tunneling. Few "things" should be found.
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I apologize for the insult.
There are at least 3 articles that attempt to explain the transmutation of the unstable nickel isotope to stable copper.
All of them were posted here within the last 6 months.
To further complicate things Rossi has just signed an agreement for National Instruments of Austin, Texas to build the monitoring and control instrumentation for manufacture of Rossi’s 1MW systems. NI confirms Rossi is a client with their “Big Physics” division that builds components for hot fusion reactors and particle accelerators.I would really like to see this reported from a source that isn't such an obvious cheerleader for Rossi: Story
Notice that right underneath this story is a list of "what you can do" to help Rossi. The items include:
I know little of the technology. I read these posts and try to keep up.
However, if the government were to be the one investing, wouldn’t they send some NASA guy to do the due diligence?
Or am I being naive?
Doesn't mean a thing. His only conflict with the law was in Italy.Really?!? We can disregard fraud if it occurs in Italy?!?
I've reviewed (and posted in an earlier thread), several news accounts of Rossi's court cases. He wasn't an innocent victim of the Italian government's changing and inconsistent environmental laws. He was committing fraud, specifically money laundering. He was convicted at least twice, once for his bogus "garbage to fuel" scam, and once for a scam involving shipping tons of nonexistent gold.
The only "defense" I've seen regarding Rossi's history is Rossi himself. Obviously, his self-serving statements should be viewed with skepticism.
Here's your problem as a junkman ~ you get junk. I have no doubt Rossi had a build up of materials brought to his factory that could not simply be converted nor disposed of through any normal process. He was naive.
Give you an idea of what goes on in the junk business. When I was a kid you rarely saw a geiger counter in a junkyard ~ today, even your basic smash and trash vehicle crush operations have them.
Nothing like a stray bit of hospital isotope getting in the mix to mess you up and put you out of business ~ that's 'cause the next guy down the line wants to separate that stuff from his, and so on all the way to the smelter somewhere.
Our landfill operation in Fairfax (which uses a co-generation power plant to dispose of everything burnable) has radiation detectors, as do all our fire trucks, trash trucks, police cars, public buildings, and so on. I think they used to use "exposure badges" for this but modern electronics has reduced the size and cost of better equipment.
My neighborhood is regularly surveyed by Department of Defense. They fly a helicopter overhead with a very sensitive radiation detection device hanging from a long cable ~ this is because we "hosted" the AlQaida 9/11 ground support team and DOD figures some of them may come back ~ from time to time they do. We've had a shooting or two involving those guys since 9/11.
People are just nuts about getting tapped out with invisible radiation so they take precautions.
What was the date of that test, so it can be more easily found in the Fletcher report?
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