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Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier
AP/Newser.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2011 | Genaro C. Armas

Posted on 11/09/2011 7:30:27 PM PST by Colofornian

Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.

But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.

One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower...

(Excerpt) Read more at newser.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: fired; grahamspanier; jerrysandusky; joepaterno; paterno; pennstate; pennsylvania; sandusky; spanier
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To: fullchroma

Hopefully this will help: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf


81 posted on 11/09/2011 7:57:25 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: airborne
30 years ago society considered homosexuality disgusting, and anal sex of any kind perverse.

Now we have celebrities like Lady Gaga praising it, and saying they were "Born this Way."

82 posted on 11/09/2011 7:57:53 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

You are exactly right. These programs are made up of at risk kids...with no one advocating for them. This is not the first time there’s beena bad actor in back of one of these tyoes of ‘youth’ programs. I know from personal experience, nothing as bad as what happened to these young boys..but the adults in charge can very much take advantage. Someone or someones need to be watching the watchers. I thank my lucky stars I had an honest adult advocating for me during that time.


83 posted on 11/09/2011 7:58:05 PM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: rsflynn
They should have placed him on administrative leave instead. This would have allowed this to get resolved in court, then, if he had been proven to be involved in covering this up in any way, then they could have taken action. In my opinion this is premature and reactionary.

#1 - They already had his legal testimony -- given before the Grand Jury. (There was enough there to fire him -- even if not enough to convict him of anything)

#2 Silence IS a cover-up. You don't have to "prove" the negative (the silence). The silence itself is the cover of darkness. You can see the light through the darkness -- and there was no light within the Penn State staff who knew what went on.

#3 While the Board may have considered legal guilt re: the President (Spanier), the Board didn't need to base the Paterno decision on that. Rather it had enough -- common sense ethics and moral decision-making -- to render a decision. And both of these failed horrifically within the Penn State system -- horifically and systematically.

84 posted on 11/09/2011 7:58:43 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: airborne

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT!

A child rapist is free on the streets of State Colleg and Joe Paterno is the story. Get a rope, find a strong branch, and hunt down the evil fiend Jerry Sandusky.


85 posted on 11/09/2011 7:59:24 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: kentramsay

So why was the Pres fired with that logic?


86 posted on 11/09/2011 7:59:49 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Colofornian

The had little choice, and because this thing ran so many years, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some on the Board of Trustees had some knowledge of the incidents.


87 posted on 11/09/2011 7:59:54 PM PST by Will88
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To: NonValueAdded

Let’s see if I have this straight: Grad Student sees the reprehensible act, leaves and tells father instead of yelling “hey, stop!”, then dad tells Paterno something. Paterno has no direct knowledge of the event nor do we know exactly how it was described to Paterno.
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No you do not have it correct. Paterno said Mcqueary (not his dad) told him it was “fondling or an act of a sexual nature” in his testimony to the grand jury.

You should read the grand jury report if you want to know the facts of what happened.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf


88 posted on 11/09/2011 8:00:19 PM PST by free me (heartless)
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To: Flycatcher

It is going to be an absolute circus this Saturday

Nebraska fans are some of the best in college football, so hopefully they won’t go overboard. This is bad enough as it is without the fans getting into it.


89 posted on 11/09/2011 8:00:24 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: airborne

Hopefully, Sandusky kills himself. No need to call the victims as witnesses so they can relive it.


90 posted on 11/09/2011 8:00:24 PM PST by Round 9
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To: Rushmore Rocks

It appears that everyone involved was either more worried about losing his job or in keeping PSU safe from any involvement. To hell with the kids - they were just poor kids who didn’t matter. It just makes me sick.


91 posted on 11/09/2011 8:01:00 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: dfwgator
I think they did it, out of concern that the games both at Penn State and on the road, were going to devolve into circuses if Paterno was still on the sidelines...frankly I don’t see how he could coach under those circumstances, it’s almost as if they did it for his own good

Yes. Why turn what should be the most mournful game in Penn State's history into a "let's glory our local god" celebration?

Penn State needs to repent with sackcloth and ashes and needs to feel the pain of its local victims who were failed by otherwise responsible people.

92 posted on 11/09/2011 8:01:03 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Colofornian

He had to go. He was going rogue out there shooting his mouth off about how “in hindsight, he should have done more”.

That’s absolutely true, but as an employee, he brings more liability on the university by admitting that. As it is, PSU is probably looking at potentially millions of $$$ in damages over this. Paid by whom? - the taxpayers of PA, of course.

JoePa supposedly has his son, Scott (who is a lawyer, but not practicing right now) advising him, if you can call it that. JoePa lives in a bubble where he is loved and revered and he has always called the shots. He needs a very good lawyer now. Maybe he won’t be found culpable in a criminal case, but in a civil case where the bar is lower, he very well could be.

He needs to shut up and go away. The sooner he’s out of the picture, the sooner the damage from this to the reputation of a fine university will abate.

What a way to end a stellar career. He outstayed his welcome by about ten years.


93 posted on 11/09/2011 8:01:49 PM PST by randita (I'm not a percentage. I'm a free person.)
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To: gimme1ibertee; Oztrich Boy; rintense

Ew!

And, per Rintense’s post #53 (whose word is always good), this has been going on and known about since at least 1998?

1998!!!

Fire ‘em all. And then call in the District Attorney.


94 posted on 11/09/2011 8:01:56 PM PST by fullchroma
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To: yawningotter
It is going to be an absolute circus this Saturday Nebraska fans are some of the best in college football, so hopefully they won’t go overboard. This is bad enough as it is without the fans getting into it.

The Westboro protesters have announced they will be there @ the game.

95 posted on 11/09/2011 8:02:00 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: gimme1ibertee
...using the pretense of having to wash up after a wrestling practice,whether they were sweaty or not.

This is actually a practice that ALL coaches adamantly adhere to. It teaches young men good hygiene. I was ALWAYS instructed by my coaches that showers were required - we always took them, it makes sense. It is an important aspect of athletics that carries on through life - that being the need for good hygiene.

Not busting your chops, but to say that he used a good practice as his "MO" is a bit incorrect and disingenuous.

96 posted on 11/09/2011 8:02:31 PM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Rushmore Rocks; chasio649; God luvs America
Why didn’t the parents of those young boys go to the cops?

Because Sandusky founded a charity called The Second Mile thirty four years ago to help disadvantaged kids. This enabled him to look for and gain access to children from troubled homes who had little parenting.

Pedophiles look for an easy mark with no support.

Sandusky was able to get away with this for three and a half decades.

97 posted on 11/09/2011 8:03:17 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Colofornian

It won’t make those molested whole, but at least some action is being taken.


98 posted on 11/09/2011 8:03:44 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: dfwgator
It was also a business decision. In the end, Universities are big business, and Penn State footbal makes them millions and millions.

And they're gonna need millions and millions to repay the victims.

99 posted on 11/09/2011 8:03:44 PM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Dengar01
"This is the Marcy Park part of the story. A District Attorney dismissed all charges against the gay pedophile in 1998. In 2005 the DA went 'missing' and in June 2011 declared 'legally dead'..."

Wow! Hadn't heard that. Thanks for sharing.

100 posted on 11/09/2011 8:04:18 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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