Posted on 11/09/2011 7:30:27 PM PST by Colofornian
Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.
The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.
But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.
One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower...
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You are willfully blind.
Up the thread you said that “a few children had been hurt and their lives disrupted”.
You think little boys being anally raped is being hurt? Their lives were “disrupted”?
You spent all this time on the thread not criticizing Sandusky, or the obvious coverup, but criticizing those of us who are disgusted and outraged, and also the parents for not being more voluble. There was obviously a huge coverup, a DA “disappeared”, and all the Big Important People were covering up. How were these little families going to fight against a huge coverup machine of Big People with tons of money and power?
You sicken me beyond words.
I’ve had it rammed down my keyboards throat numerous times in this thread already, yes. Please read my subsequent responses. My central point is that the folk around Sandusky are getting attacked when they did not commit his heinous acts, and that their failures to report (particularly McCrearys eye witnessing) primarily took place several years ago. The major dust up today has been entirely about JoPa and the other coaches and admins... And not about Sandusky... And the race to punish them before Sandusky is very telling. Why doesn’t that raise a red flag in your mind?
I gotta go to bed.
I’m sick.
People who are angrier at people like US rather than the coverup/enablers are the very reason our country is going to hell.
How many threads are there condemning the fiend who actually raped these little boys?
There are far more threads condemning Paterno.
Why is there more hatred for Paterno than Sandusky on FR?
Just wondering?
Rintense, I think you have a tough case to prove here...I mean, 'xplain if you would how even if the Big 10 had known everything about Penn State we've found out this week...how Penn State comes close to the enshrinement of pedophile facilitator Alfred Kinsey @ Indiana University?
I mean if ANY campus has "outpedophiled" Penn State, it was Indiana University in the early 1950s and the cover-ups ever since!!!
See How Alfred C. Kinsey’s Sex Studies Have Harmed Women and Children [Big 10 harbors perp culture]
Here's an excerpt from that article
Sanitizing child sexual abuse
Kinsey also based his liberal view of child rape on research tabulated in Graph Tables 31-34 in the male volume, which chronicled systematic sexual abuse of boys aged 2 months to 15 years old. Kinsey concluded that the boys, despite violent reactions and crying, enjoyed being manually and orally stimulated by pedophiles. To Kinsey, what most people thought was rape was merely “sex play” with children, which was essentially harmless, particularly if the child gave “consent.”10 He also included this chilling observation: “Orgasm is in our records for a female babe of 4 months.”11 The Kinsey Institute, situated on Indiana University’s campus, continues to refuse to open the records of the Kinsey child sex data to public scrutiny.
I don't think Penn State will EVER be able to match Indiana University!
Still, taken in tandem, it IS true that the most Eastern portion of the Big 10 is sanctioned pedophile turf!
I’ve appreciated reading your posts and some others on this thread.
Seems many are ignoring the fact that Sandusky committed the homosexual pedophilia, the DA dropped the case against him over a decade ago, that PSU Admin allowed him to continue using Penn State campuses and the Penn State name for his “charity” Second Mile.
Paterno is the scapegoat. The media is trying, convicting, and executing him because he’s the face of Penn State. And because they can. They love doing this. He’s the easy target. The Board of Trustees is covering their own asses and I think it will backfire on them.
The liberal media hates Paterno because of how he ran the football program and how he didn’t suck up to them. They love taking him down.
Paterno isn’t the problem here. He’s just the easy target.
I’m waiting for the media to focus on the core problem, and how PC has allowed our society to ignore the core problem. Heh, I won’t hold my breath. The facfs of Sandusky’s case won’t ever be addressed. The man sexually abused boys....he raped boys. But it’s easier to blame Paterno for doing what he was legally obligated to do rather than address the real issues. JMO
let's give you a hypothetical: an employee comes to you and tell you that his trainee said that he saw another employee doing something horrible in the back room with a child. Do you fire that vile monster immediately? Or do you actually bother to look investigate and see if something really happened first? Also accusations happen all the time. If we start accepting knee-jerk reactions at face value, things like that WILL start happening with greater frequency, and more innocent people, including our grandchildren, will suffer for our lack of foresight. I'm just saying, THINK!!
No it has not.
The major dust up on this thread has been primarily about JoPa and the other coaches and admins...because that is the thread topic for this thread.
You jumped in and tried to wrench the topic of this thread over to just condemning Sandusky, who is the topic of several other threads.
In the process, you have attempted to minimize the severity of the crime and the damage to the victims, and that has quite properly earned you a backlash that is not fading away.
You have a size twelve ego in a size five soul.
I’ve finished reading the report. A synopsis of the timeline, because there are alot of ignorant statements being thrown out.
The victims are in reverse order, i.e., Victim #1 is most recent, Victim #8 oldest.
#1 - Everything was witnessed off campus at a high school by a wrestling and football coach around 2007, complaint filed by mother.
#2 - Witnessed by the grad student in 2002, AFTER Sandusky was retired and was named professor emeritus with full on campus privileges.
#3, #4, #5, and #7 - had no witnesses to sexual conduct. #4 did testify that in May 1999 Sandusky came home distraught that Paterno would not make him head coach. These were all between 1994 and 2000.
#6 - Was reported by the mother and investigation was launched that ended in June 1998 with no charges filed.
#8 - Was witnessed by two janitors one directly and one indirectly, The one who saw it directly was very shaken and reported it to his boss, who told him who to report it to up the chain. The janitor never went any farther with it and now has dementia.
The only part that questions Joe Pa was #6 and the investigation. Not sure what Joe Pa was supposed to do if the police wouldn’t file charges. What he did do is having him out the door within a year after that.
He immediately reported the incident with the grad student but that was AFTER Sundusky retired. Paterno had no authority over him and no authority to deny him access to the campus. Again, that investigation was also stifled.
So there is nothing here about Paterno covering anything up. The most damning was the year it took to get rid of Sandusky and letting him retire instead getting fired. What could you fire him for? The authorities said there was nothing there.
In fact there was no threat of retaliation - when Paterno was approached by the grad student with his story, he took him to the authorities. He basically gave the higher ups implicit authority to boot the guy off campus for good. No cover up due to intimidation by Paterno. This thing lies with Shultz, Curley, the campus police, the in-house attorney, and the DA. Paterno is fairly incidental.
Facts and timeline are tricky things sometimes.
The hatred for Sandusky is implied, there’s no debate about his guilt, so there’s really nothing to talk about....the waters are a bit muddier when it comes to Paterno.
Sandusky is the criminal, Paterno is the PUBLIC FACE of the organization that enabled, and covered up for, the criminal....
Germans are still blamed. You are a bit satanic, due process and all you are still quite duplicitous. You must be a principle here because I find it hard to believe you havent been shown the door.
And if the perp was an assistant who was only with Paterno for a year or two, that’s one thing....but Sandusky was with Paterno at Penn State...FOR THIRTY YEARS!!!
THANK YOU!!! You made half of my points with only 1/100 the words! I needed that. I’m going to bed on that note. You’re my favorite poster for the week now LOL.
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And had been running his grooming farm for 22 of those years.
I hate Sandusky more than Paterno, but not much.
If anyone who know about the fiend had done something to stop him years ago, many boys would not have been raped. So anyone who knew and did not stop him shares the guilt. It’s really simple.
On March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant who was then 28 years old, entered the locker room at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus on a Friday night before the beginning of Spring Break. The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked in the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.
The graduate assistant went to his office and called his father, reporting to him what he had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to promptly report what he had seen to Coach Joe Paterno, head football coach of Penn State. The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home, where he reported what he had seen.
Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.
Paterno gets a graphic account of what occurred, then delays for 24 hours before delivering a somewhat milder account of what happened to his AD. Paterno should go to jail for that.
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