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To: Colofornian

I’ve finished reading the report. A synopsis of the timeline, because there are alot of ignorant statements being thrown out.

The victims are in reverse order, i.e., Victim #1 is most recent, Victim #8 oldest.

#1 - Everything was witnessed off campus at a high school by a wrestling and football coach around 2007, complaint filed by mother.

#2 - Witnessed by the grad student in 2002, AFTER Sandusky was retired and was named professor emeritus with full on campus privileges.

#3, #4, #5, and #7 - had no witnesses to sexual conduct. #4 did testify that in May 1999 Sandusky came home distraught that Paterno would not make him head coach. These were all between 1994 and 2000.

#6 - Was reported by the mother and investigation was launched that ended in June 1998 with no charges filed.

#8 - Was witnessed by two janitors one directly and one indirectly, The one who saw it directly was very shaken and reported it to his boss, who told him who to report it to up the chain. The janitor never went any farther with it and now has dementia.

The only part that questions Joe Pa was #6 and the investigation. Not sure what Joe Pa was supposed to do if the police wouldn’t file charges. What he did do is having him out the door within a year after that.

He immediately reported the incident with the grad student but that was AFTER Sundusky retired. Paterno had no authority over him and no authority to deny him access to the campus. Again, that investigation was also stifled.

So there is nothing here about Paterno covering anything up. The most damning was the year it took to get rid of Sandusky and letting him retire instead getting fired. What could you fire him for? The authorities said there was nothing there.

In fact there was no threat of retaliation - when Paterno was approached by the grad student with his story, he took him to the authorities. He basically gave the higher ups implicit authority to boot the guy off campus for good. No cover up due to intimidation by Paterno. This thing lies with Shultz, Curley, the campus police, the in-house attorney, and the DA. Paterno is fairly incidental.

Facts and timeline are tricky things sometimes.


430 posted on 11/09/2011 10:36:58 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan
The only part that questions Joe Pa was #6 and the investigation.

Not true. Read p. 7 again of the Grand Jury Presentment: Grand Jury Presentment

This was victim #2...it doesn't matter that Sandusky was no longer an employee...'cause as you mentioned, he had full on-campus privileges. Retired employees cannot engage in open-ended carte-blanche anything goes behavior minus potential consequences.

He immediately reported the incident with the grad student but that was AFTER Sundusky retired. Paterno had no authority over him and no authority to deny him access to the campus.

Again...what does it matter that Sandusky was retired by 2002? What distinction does that make? If McQueary saw a reporter with lockerroom privileges raping a kid in the showers late post-game, would that matter that the reporter wasn't an employee of Penn State? How ludicrous can you get in pointing out "Facts" that are entirely irrelevant?

IN my parallel analogy of a reporter/journalist raping a kid, Paterno wouldn't have any authority over him, either...nor PERSONAL authority to deny him access to the locker room. But, again, so what?

You mean to tell me that if all Paterno did was to lateral an eyewitness account of a journalist raping a kid to his superiors, but never followed up on it, that would have been A-OK with you? Really?

Again, that investigation was also stifled.

What investigation? I'm sorry but this story seems to be quite lost on you...the FACTS are that no investigation was jumpstarted on THIS case till over half a dozen years after the fact...(Sandusky was being investigated in '07...but that was ANOTHER case)...

It wasn't that the investigation was started and then squelched. Penn State never even allowed a "take-off" because all of them -- including Paterno -- kept quiet!

So there is nothing here about Paterno covering anything up.

Sure there is. First, he delayed telling his supervisors for 24 hours. (What? What if YOUR kid was accessable to a re-rape the night Paterno said nothing)

But here's what's a LOT worse: He never followed up in the LONG RUN to ensure that the authorities (not just his superiors) found out McQueary's eyewitness report. In fact, he upgraded McQueary's lot in life (from grad asst to wide receivers coach & then head of recruiting). What? You don't think Paterno had the option of asking McQueary if the police had ever questioned him...and upon finding out 'no' -- to use his considerable influence to direct McQueary to do that?

Imagine, if you would, if McQueary had seen a shower murder and body disposal. Do you think if McQueary told Paterno about such a thing, that Paterno's "obligations" to "report" the "incident" would have been entirely met if he had merely told the account to his superiors -- and his superiors alone?

Are you crazy? IF he never then followed up to ask McQueary if the police had questioned him...then, yes...ya better believe a cover-up was operative.

470 posted on 11/09/2011 11:11:30 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Free Vulcan
Paterno is the power on that Univ. and he did nothing to find out who the child was, and any followup.

Sandusky still had access to Penn State and was on campus just last week.

569 posted on 11/10/2011 2:56:13 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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