Posted on 11/06/2011 11:35:02 AM PST by Calif Conservative
The Black Bloc (what the "Oakland Liberation Front" mimics) is an intentionally disruptive tactic which has infiltrated and radicalized protests world wide. The core principles and tactics are: Vandalism, rioting, and street fighting. The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations, ongoing protests, and movement on the whole has defined itself in self stating principles at every assembly from the very beginning as "non violent".
Anyone who claims that the presence of a few people who infiltrate a peaceful group and stir up crap somehow taints the entire organization must, to be fair, then call the entire Tea Party a bunch of dope-dealing felons, since a handful of infiltrators have also incited and committed various criminal acts on the other side!
For instance, felony election fraud in Michigan, felony fraud charges in NY, violence at a Tea Party rally in Fort Lauderdale and if you like dope dealers a Tea Party leader in Indiana was charged with that offense too.
Yet you haven't -- and won't -- hear me allege that the Tea Party (in its various forms) is in some way condoning crime of various forms, including dope dealing and violent demonstrations.
Occupy {whatever}does not condone crimes.
It just simply isn't true folks. Were it true these agitators would have immediately turned this demonstration into an all-on riot. The opportunity and density of people necessary was certainly there, if the people demonstrating were disposed to do so -- there was little or no police presence and literally nothing other than the desire of the demonstrators that kept the demonstration almost-entirely peaceful. Were that not true Oakland would have been sacked last night.
Were there criminals in the crowd? Yes. There are at the local beach too on any given Sunday.
That doesn't make the entire group of people on the beach crooks.
(Excerpt) Read more at market-ticker.org ...
Ask developer Phil Tagami if he believes Occupy Oakland is peaceful and wonderful
Ask Whole Foods if they enjoy their trashed store, which was attacked by demonstrators based on a rumor that WF would not let its employees take off to join the occupation.
Ask middle-class truck drivers and middle-class dock workers (yes, I know they are members of the Radical Left ILWU) if they enjoy the shutdown of a major commerce hub for 16 hours
Ask Wells Fargo if they enjoy scuffles in front of their bank, causing them to shut the doors of their downtown Oakland branch for two out of four days.
Ask CitiBank and Chase if they enjoy having their bank doors closed to customers downtown as well
Ask all the merchants who were forced to close their doors for a day. Some said they were intimidated by Occupy Oakland people into shutdowns during the protests.
Wow. Denniger is an ass. Thanks for posting this.
As we were discussing the other day...
But it was only 1% that caused the problems. The other 99% tried to stop them. /s
He’s a dolt for pointing out that maybe the violence in Oakland wasn’t perpetrated by the “Occupy Oakland” crowd?
Denninger is a shock jock at best or proving the old saying that the rich are only poor people with money and no brains.
One or two more things.
The Tea Party gatherings did not disrupt commerce. Yes, it’s true that some felons may have been at one or more Tea Party gatherings, but the key difference here, which Karl ignores, is that the Tea Party gatherings didn’t degenerate into what we have witnessed in Oakland, NYC, etc.
At any crowded beach, no doubt during a 24-hour period, some felons are soaking in the rays or playing in the surf.
But the difference is, the crowd at the beach doesn’t engage, typically, an occupation of the beach, destruction of property, etc.
First, Denninger supported Occupy. Because they were completely peaceful. But then when the protests were less than peaceful, Karl has to try to find the black helicopters, or, in this case, men in black.
Do you think Bill Gates has to go to the bank? Does Warren Buffett? Does George Soros? Does Nancy Pelosi HAVE to go to the bank in person?
I’d argue those and others are part of the 1 percent. I’ll bet the people who have to go inside a bank branch are part of the 99 percent.
The difference is Occupy Oakland actually did trash somebody else’s property, they did hurt the very people they claim to be helping.
Karl - a dolt, yet again.
I can’t fint thread #1. Could you help please?
I’m not getting your logic. You cite Karls’ points which as I read them, refute your position that the disruptive elements in the OWS are indistinguishable from the OWS position, larval state that it may be in, but then you revert to your position that there is no distinction.
If you don’t like Karl, that’s fine. If you don’t agree with Karl, that’s fine too. But you’ve completely adopted the media-spin on this based on cherry-picked and media-fed evidence. And if you look a little closer, you should be able to see how you’re being spun. If you’re happy with that conclusion, have at it.
Totally agree. He’s like a financial blog version of Lame Cherry these days.
Hey! Great post. Check my tagline as of late.
I’m glad to see that I am not the only one who has witnessed this alleged “conservative economist” completely jump the shark. And I’ve been reading his blog every day for several years.
As I said to another freeper lately, it has become glaringly obvious that Karl Denninger has one goal and one goal only:
TO BE ADOPTED AS THE “PEROT” BY A GROUP, ANY GROUP.
He tries to claim that he was one of the founders of the TEA party. He was not. He supported them early on. When his local TEA party did not ask him to represent them in elections, he turned on them. The TEA Party did not ask him for one simple reason: he is at core a libertarian and brings with him so much of that ideology that conflicts directly with conservatism (libertarians, don’t flame me, just admit that we have some differences that we cannot iron out).
Since the TEA Party did not “Perot” him, he turned on them. He STILL supports the OWS movement (which I call the OWN movement because all they want to do is own what others have worked for), and excuses their violence as being caused by detractors. Meanwhile, when a few RINOs misrepresent the TEA Party and/or prevent the TEA Party (which is a MINORITY even in the SINGLE HOUSE that the Republicans control) from controlling a vote, HE BLAMES THE ENTIRE TEA PARTY. To me it is obvious whose side Denninger is on: his own side and any side that will nominate him.
And let’s not forget that Denninger’s expertise is investments. As such, he has a fair read on the economic situation. But let’s also remember that DENNINGER VOTED FOR OBAMA, because he bought into the ‘hope’ and ‘change’ BS and allowed himself to be deceived that Obama would actually go after those institutions that donated so heavily to him.
Denninger has proven that he has used up the mileage that his economic analysis provided for him and that he is woefully ignorant when it comes to the nature of politics and politicians.
Indeed. What a great thread!
I used to like to read Market Ticker.
However, last year or two, Karl Denninger has so jumped the shark with idiotic posts that i have removed his site from my favorite places.
Anyone who trashes the Tea Party because they don’t perfectly support Karl’s bank-hating agenda while extolling the virtues of the marxist freeloaders at Occupy Whatever is a total imbecile. Karl is living proof that really “smart” people can end up believing foolish things.
No, read my other post to this thread (the longer one).
He’s a dolt because he is siding with the leftists who voted Obammie the Commie into office and who are protesting outside the offices of the leftists who financed Obammie the Commie.
He’s a dolt because he voted for Obammie the Commie and because his rant for the past 4 years has been singularly against the mega-banks and financial institutes that flout the law and take taxpayer dollars while they do it and who are in league with those people that are supposedly protesting them.
He is a dolt because he doesn’t see that he is being deceived again by political games.
If he were wise, he’d support the OWN movement IF and ONLY IF they were occupying Pennsylvania Ave., not Wall Street.
No, read my other post to this thread (the longer one).
He’s a dolt because he is siding with the leftists who voted Obammie the Commie into office and who are protesting outside the offices of the leftists who financed Obammie the Commie.
He’s a dolt because he voted for Obammie the Commie and because his rant for the past 4 years has been singularly against the mega-banks and financial institutes that flout the law and take taxpayer dollars while they do it and who are in league with those people that are supposedly protesting them.
He is a dolt because he doesn’t see that he is being deceived again by political games.
If he were wise, he’d support the OWN movement IF and ONLY IF they were occupying Pennsylvania Ave., not Wall Street.
Totally agree.
Denninger was a proud supporter of OBAMA. Then he appeared shocked, SHOCKED, that Obama rammed through Gov’t Healthcare and other socialist stuff.
What a twit.
Let me add one more point to your excellent catalog against this blogkhead (I use an adolescent insult because he uses them so frequently).
He supported the Nov. 2 general strike.
Now, anyone who pays attention to these ideas, knows what a complete waste of time such a one-day strike is.
Even in Washington state the uber-leftists — in order to stimulate the economy — proposed lifting all sales taxes for the entire month of November.
This approach is fraught with several fallacies:
1. It acknowledges that the taxes were not needed but were just extra money those leftists used for whatever they used them for.
2. It acknowledges that taxes are a burden on the economy.
3. It acknowledges that if taxes are raised, that burden will be lifted and the economy will progress (you’d think “progressives” would always hold to this low-tax policy)
Though the above points are valid and that’s why WE support low taxes, the general/short-term, defined “strike” is a waste of time for these reasons:
1. People will simply STOP purchasing the months leading up to the tax-free period, thus slowing down the economy those months.
2. Economic activity will spike during that time period.
3. Economic activity will slump AFTER the tax-free period.
4. Economic activity will slump for an even longer duration because certainly there will be people who stock up on lots of inventory during that period to sell at a lower cost later but still at a profit, thus the tax revenue will still take a hit and orders at those source stores will be low for a delayed period.
The Nov. 2 “general strike” was a really stupid idea for many of the same reasons.
I went to his blog on Nov. 2, saw that it was shut down for the general strike, and then went straight to Mike Shedlock’s (Mish’s) blog, whom Denninger loathes and envies with a rare vitriol.
I enjoyed Mish’s blog the entire day.
I don’t know if I’d say he was a proud supporter of Obama - I read his post from “Election Eve”; he recommended voting for Obama but only because he knew McCain was a guaranteed catastrophe.
Ditto. Karl has indeed jumped the shark. I deleted his site from my bookmarks...never again.
I thought he had a good site. But ever since OWS started he seems to have gone off the deep and and over to the dark side.
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