Posted on 11/05/2011 3:16:26 PM PDT by blueyon
Republican 2012 presidential candidates Republican 2012 presidential candidates Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich met in a Lincoln-Douglas style debate on current economic and social issues facing the U.S.
What do you mean interference. How could I interfere with 900 plus posts of Cain worship.
I was just the comedy relief.
10th amendment — another big Perry selling point.
That and the health care database. Privacy and government abuse concerns keep me from supporting a national healthcare database.
Mr. Cain has come to set his people free... from government.
Doesn’t Newt live in Virginia? I vaguely recall this being discussed at some point (he and Cain being from GA), and it was brought up that he has resided in VA for quite some time (thus obviating the concern)
I now know what mission you're on, and you've snarked your last snark with me.
You are now on permanent "IGNORE" until the primary votes are in and your guy (whoever that may be) isn't nominated. :)
When you decide to join WITH us and not fight AGAINST us, we can be civil again....
Until then, Vaya con Dios.
Obvious Cain trusted Newt...that's really quite huge IMO...and says something about them both. I am really impressed..but no doubt in my mind Newt has the proven ability he can handle Washington...be it as Pres. or VP...he is a man they will have to reckon with when he gets there....Cain's going to have to learn and tighten up his game very very fast now.
Naturally Cain couldn't have spotted any place to go on the offense with Newt...he's not yet walked this walk long enough to spot those. But as we heard him mention of the media...that has been his greatest shock..which after Palin you would have thought he would have grasped the media would come on him hard and fast. His comments about the media are an awful lot like palin's when she was getting hammered...he needs to not be on the defensive with the media and just sharpen his reponses and not let them play him as they've been doing.
Like tracking illegals? Hmmm?
Very strange indeed, but the ‘hate Perry syndrome’ is almost as strong here as the worship Cain syndrome.
I believe this comment will be permissable since the talk show is over.
Most people I’ve known in the tech field who’ve been unemployed looking for work IS their full-time job. They spend their days (and sometimes nights) on the telephone or meeting people in whatever venue they can find.
In my neck of the woods, all the McDonalds and retail jobs have already dried up. Waitresses are being laid off because restaurants are feeling the pinch. There are no more kids at the counters selling burgers; they’re all 40+ years old. Even the people stocking shelves at Wal*Mart are obviously very capable people rather than the tattooed and pierced eyesores that had the jobs a year ago. In the next 6 months there will be 600+ fewer jobs in the area as a major employer finally closes and takes at least one supplier with it.
Since you missed it the first time I posted it - Cain is not stealing Perry’s ideas
Here is a Cain article on the 10th in 2006:
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Where Congress Fumbles, the States Recover
August 16, 2006
By Herman Cain
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” – 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
The inability and unwillingness of Congress this year to cut federal spending, restructure Social Security, eliminate the estate tax and protect our borders has been well documented. If the Republicans lose seats this November in one or both chambers, they will have their self-imposed legislative impotence to blame. Fortunately, many of the state legislatures realize that the burdens imposed on Americans by illegal aliens, high tax rates and unchecked spending will not go away merely because Congress ignores these issues. Many states are exercising their 10th Amendment rights and offering their own bold solutions.
At the federal level, Congress has never met a taxpayer’s dollar it didn’t want to spend. The federal budget watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste identified nearly 10,000 pork barrel earmarks in the 11 Fiscal Year 2006 appropriations bills. The total cost of these earmarks is a record $29 billion, a 6.2 percent increase over earmark spending in 2005.
Meanwhile, mandatory spending on entitlement programs continues to soar. Mandatory entitlement spending on programs such as Social Security and Medicare comprised 54 percent of the federal budget in 2005, and is expected to reach 62 percent by 2015. Congress extended to 2010 the 15 percent rates on capital gains and dividend income, but failed to repeal the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax.
But at the state level, many legislatures are listening to their citizens who are demanding an end to irresponsible spending and the rising tax rates to pay for it. Citizens in at least five states (Montana, Nebraska, Maine, Nevada and Oregon) have the opportunity this November to enact taxpayer protection amendments to their state constitutions. Modeled after Colorado’s Taxpayer Bill of Rights Amendment, the ballot initiatives in these states will limit state spending growth to a formula based on the inflation rate plus population growth. Further, most require approval from a majority of both the state legislature and the state’s citizens to increase spending or tax rates.
Currently, 28 states have tax and expenditure limits, and these states are taking the fiscally responsible steps to lock changes in spending and tax law into their constitutions. They are sending the message that future generations won’t be saddled with high tax rates and debt due to the careless spending decisions of today.
In Georgia, state House leaders recently proposed changes to the tax code that could provide its citizens much needed tax relief and a tax code fairer for everyone.
One proposal from Representative Steve Davis is the Georgia Fair Tax Act. The Georgia Fair Tax will eliminate all personal and corporate income taxes and replace them with a sales tax. Like the Fair Tax introduced in Congress, under the Georgia Fair Tax individuals will determine the amount of taxes they pay based on how much they spend. Business costs will also drop drastically, reducing the cost of goods and encouraging other businesses to relocate to Georgia.
At the federal level, the Senate this year failed to pass the common sense House immigration bill. Instead, the Senate passed their own bill that would give amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens within our borders and put them on the fast track to citizenship. As the late House Speaker Tip O’Neil once famously remarked, “All politics is local.” Perhaps no issue is as local and visible this year than the burden placed on states and local communities by illegal aliens, and the states are taking action.
For example, in 2004 Arizonans passed Proposition 200, the Arizona Taxpayer Citizen Protection Act, requiring identification to vote and denying some government benefits to illegal aliens. A July 2006 Wall Street Journal report found that this year over 500 pieces of legislation aimed at curbing illegal immigration have been introduced in state legislatures.
In April 2006, Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue signed the Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act. This bill requires citizenship verification for those receiving state benefits, cracks down on businesses employing illegal aliens and helps local law enforcement agencies work more closely with federal agencies to enforce immigration laws. A similar bill was passed in Colorado this year after Governor Bill Owens called a special session to address the rapidly escalating burdens on state coffers, law enforcement and local communities caused by illegal aliens.
Most of our nations’ founders wisely envisioned a limited role for the federal government over our lives. However, Congress too often picks and chooses when it will exceed the limits imposed by our founders, as we see in tax and spending legislation, and when it will abdicate its constitutional duties to protect the national defense, as we saw this year in the Senate immigration bill.
The Constitution’s 10th Amendment provides states the ability to check the irresponsible or impotent activities of Congress. Given the reluctance in Congress to fix our biggest problems or even admit some problems exist, our right as citizens to shape and influence legislation in our 50 statehouses is one we must all exercise.
http://economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-081606.asp
Someone suggested Gingrich was ducking the 9-9-9 issue; I was pointing out there were limits to the topics for this debate. Why does that bother you?
Sorry I missed this live... we've literally been in the dark here in The People's Republik of Connecticut for a full week due to a rare nor'easter snowstorm last Saturday. Watching this fantastic debate right now via laptop in our hotel room. :-)
NautiNurse and Nick Danger: Check out this excellent debate... great stuff! (C-SPAN link at top of thread)
In the lakeside room with Newt.
Like my husband who has a master’s in computer science (with updated software skills) and many decades of experience.
The VP is President of the Senate. Gingrich would be better there than Cain, IMHO. And I trust Cain to be for the people more than Gingrich would.
No, Perry will not pick up any black votes and neither will Cain.
I can’t believe you’re bringing up the stupid rock story and yet, you people despise the MSM and the WashPo except when they run something against Perry.
Uhm, the other way around: you are with US. Our support for Perry is based on his platform which (surprise!) turns out to be Cain and Gingrich’s platform, too! What an amazing coincidence.
Hello Windflier....Really fabulous dialogue tonight between Newt and Cain...refreshing hardly says enough. Finally we get to be in a room with states-men! And the humor both had amongst themselves was delicious!
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