Silver Shadow Unveils a Production Ready Version of Gilboa Assault Pistol Rifle (APR)

Defensse Update ^ | 31 Oct 2011

[mandaladon]

In our coverage of last year’s event we unveiled the new Gilboa Assault Pistol Rifle (APR). This year, Silver Shadow is displaying a Production ready model APR, an ultra compact weapon designed specifically for close quarter combat, VIP protection and special forces and commanders; the APR will also offer an excellent survival weapon for helicopter aircrews, offering improved range, accuracy and lethality, compared to pistols. The overall length of the Gilboa APR is 398mm, (15.6″) and its loaded weight is 2.820 kg (including a full 30 round magazine). The chrome lined barrel is 165mm (6.5″) in length, firing 5.56×45 (M-855/SS-109) rounds. The handgun comes with four Mil-STD 1913 Accessory Rails (Picatiny) providing attachment options for a wide range of accessories.

The new patented design incorporates a combined gas and recoil spring actuating system integrated in the weapon’s body, a feature enabling the designers to optimize the foldable stock in terms of weight and ergonomics, allowing the shooter to employ the weapon in shoulder firing position. In fact, the APR remains fully operational with the stock completely detached. Compared to Bullpup designs the APR is claimed to offer lighter, smaller and safer performance, as the chamber position is maintained as far as possible from the shooter, contributing to safer operation. Other ergonomic elements include a pistol grip that comes with built-in storage compartment.

[nerdwithagun]

Cool, but even quality .223 55 grain goes down to about 2500-2300 ft/sec and a little bit faster in 5.56. Still a nasty woond if the bullet fragments, but you have to know damn well if the bullet is for sure going to frag.

[MasterGunner01]

This Gilboa APR appears to be a 5.56 NATO rifle. The muzzle blast must be fierce from that combination of short barrel and standard flash suppressor.

Many moons ago I had a chance to shoot a 10-inch barrel XM177E1 “shorty”. In bright daylight, the fireball was about three feet — and that was with a standard flash suppressor.

Colt designed a special “sound and flash moderator” to go on these cut-down M16 rifles that was VERY effective. However, this particular rifle had its special S&F moderator removed and replaced with a standard M16 flash suppressor. The operator said it was very dramatic to shoot at night and tended to draw a lot of return fire.

[MCF]

The muzzle blast from a 6.5” barrel shooting 5.56 ammo must be fierce.

[Pontiac]

How many prarie dogs can I take out?

How many can you get close to?

an ultra compact weapon designed specifically for close quarter combat

[Raven6]

This may be new to Gilboa, but it is certainly not new to the market. The pistolized version of the AR system has been around a couple of decades. Heck, I think even Hollywood used one for Mr. Clark's weapon in the screen adaptation of Clear and Present Danger years ago. It's really just a gimick with a high CDI (chicks dig it) factor, since all you are really going to do is create a very inaccurate, very loud 5.56 NATO calibered noisemaker once you get a barrel length below 10 inches. I won't even go into the timing problems that occur when you are trying to properly regulate the gas system versus bolt cam unlock versus chamber pressure. We've had to pull 7 inch barreled AR15/M16 weapons off of the firing line because they become very expensive single shot weapons after they start beating the firing pin retaining pin into a "u" shape so deep that the firing pin can no longer strike the primer of the chambered round. I certainly wouldn't want my life depending on any system so modified. You'd be better off with an H&K PDW or MP5K in 9mm for any work in which an M-4 or MP5SD is too big to conceal.

I don't say all this to sound anti-AR15/M16... (I make my living teaching agencies the pro's and con's of this weapons system.) It's just that you can't make the AR15/M16 system do absolutely everything if you are intent on staying with 5.56 NATO. The Colt 9mm sub-machine gun works well, but then it still isn't as dependable as the H&K system. If it were, our SPEC-OPS units would use them instead of the H&K's since the Colt 9mm's are similar the the M4 weapons system with which the troops are already familiar. When working with agencies that use H&K 9mm's, I can tell you, I've never heard anyone say "Gee, I wish we could go back to the Colt 9mm subguns..."

Just my 2 cents...

[gilor]

A 223/556 with a barrel less than 20” is flawed from the design stage.

[Dogbert41]

This would be a better option, I think: Only with a shorter barrel, of course. But the action on this AR thing is not user friendly.

[Dogbert41]

Scratch that, I posted a pic to the wrong weapon... duh

[RedMDer]

[ctdonath2]

Agreed. Wrong design for the ammo, wrong ammo for the problem being solved.

[Sea Parrot]

Whatever, but I have a close quarters combat weapon, and it has over a one hundred year impeccable sterling record to back up it's effectiveness. And just in case, I have a backup.

[Travis McGee]

Yeah, it’s pretty funny, this old chestnut rolled out as a new gimmick.

[WorkingClassFilth]

Call HSLDA!

[Sea Parrot]

Nato standard 5.56x45 cartridge bullet is 68 grains, with a faster twist can go up to over 75 grains.

[nerdwithagun]

I have to be very careful here in saying what I “know”. For all intensive purposes, I know nothing when talking about guns as there are so many people who know more then me.

That said, would a 68-75gr 5.56mm coming out of that size barrel have enough speed in 25-50 yrds to still fragment and have more destructive power then a .45 acp out of a carbine?

[Sea Parrot]

“This Gilboa APR appears to be a 5.56 NATO rifle. The muzzle blast must be fierce from that combination of short barrel and standard flash suppressor.”

Pah, muzzle flash would be piker compared to a 7.62x54 MN carbine, now there is a muzzle flash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-YOgEr5Qho

[Sea Parrot]

If hollow point or soft point sporting ammo was used, those bullets would upset out to 5-6 hundred yards. Military hard ball ammo is designed specifically not to fragment at any range. (per geneva convention specs. The 5.56 military bullet may tumble inside a soft target like human flesh.

Fragmentation is a bad thing for ammo it one wants penetration, and is normally reserved for varmint hunting.

The 5.56x45 versus a .45 acp is apples and oranges, but both can kill a person dead, as in very dead.

[ctdonath2]

At 6.5”, it’s not moving fast enough to fragment.

Read this: http://www.razoreye.net/mirror/ammo-oracle/

If you didn’t, do.

Upshot is 5.56 ammo is very finicky. It may do wondrous things when happy, but the happy zone between weight, velocity, barrel length, fragmentation, etc variables is very small - and the gun at issue here is well outside that happy zone.

Oh, and no suppressor manufacturer will warrant their work if you put their can on this thing. 10.5” is minimum.

Take the hint from FN and their P90: they identified the application, then designed a solution from the bullet up.

[nerdwithagun]

Many of the military spec 5.56mm WILL frag if it is one of the several cantalured rounds at at least around 26-2800 ft/sec. Fragmentation can work very well again if it is fast enough an how it fragments. Many self defense ammo is advertised to fragment in a fleshy target. I am talking about solid lead and copper here, not pre-fragmented stuff which is sometimes advertised for self defense. Hornady TAP offers .223 “urban” which is a cantalured copper and lead round which they advertise fragmenting in in gel and a “NTX” which is prefragmented and lead free, total fragmentation in the body.

[gaijin]

they need THIS in Oakland..!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYsQDq9_wvk&NR=1