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To: Hodar
"But, if the measurements WERE taken with a little forethought; there would be no FUD at all. For example, in the question of wet vs dry steam; let's just heat some water instead of making it steam. Increase the flow rate, heat water 'x' degrees above ambient - log the increase, calculate the power. Straight forward, no Enthalopy losses, no phase-change to p*ss and moan about. Staightforward, inexpensive and reliable."

There IS no "FUD". A close examination of the experiments and methodologies is completely convincing, even from the first experiments. The "controversy" should have disappeared after the first three demos, as they cover ALL the bases you mention above.

"It seems like Rossi is his own worst enemy. Why make things needlessly complex and uncertain? It does not build confidence."

The complexity arose solely from Levi and Rossi's attempts to satisfy the critics. As objections were raised, they added more and different techniques in an attempt to convince those people....who will NEVER be satisified, no matter what experimental method was/is used.

"But, the mess he finds himself in, is largely of his own making. With commercial data-loggers having several hundreds of channels, he could easily borrow an Agilent data-logger capable of high resolution, hundreds of channels, and Terabytes of data - at no cost. A sales rep, in the hopes of grabbing future sales - would gladly deliver a freshly calibrated unit to him, free of charge.

None of which is necessary. Rossi's E-Cat can be completely characterized with two good thermometers, a barometer, and a beaker.

"What we are told is that the ‘instruments’ they used can’t reliably guess the power output within 20%. What are they doing? Spitting on the sides and seeing how much it bubbles? No excuse for this crap, especially at this stage.

You don't NEED a measurement better than 20%. The amounts of heat are so large as to be well outside even those error bars. I'm not sure what report you are quoting...certainly not any of the first three, which were MUCH better than that.

58 posted on 11/02/2011 1:15:21 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Gotta disagree with you.

Yes, you need accuracy better than 20%; this is why. The Devil is and always has been in the details. 2 temperature points do not, and have never told the story in any exo-thermic device. They tell what is happening at 2 points in space - and only when you are looking at them.

Thermocouples tell you what is going on - constantly and very accurately. They are cheap, and intentionally have insifignicant thermal mass. This is why jet engines have more than 2 temperature points - and this is every bit as complex as a typical jet engine. Heck, your car uses more probes and far more accurate probes than what this is using. Input air temp, water temp, manifold temp, transmission temp, exhaust manifold temp, exhaust temp, ambient temp, brake temp and that’s just off the top of my head. My car had 5 oxygen sensors on top of this.

Depending upon what you are measuring, and when; this could be returning more heat than is put in, or LESS. This is apparent in the LERN-CANR.org website.

“Unfortunately, this test was marred by problems that make it impossible to accurately determine how much energy was produced”.

Not my quote - this is from LENR-CANR.org. I suggest you read the article (www.lenr-canr.org/News.htm) yourself. We do not know how much energy this unit is actually producing. That’s a hell of a condemnation on the measurement strategy used.

Again...”Experts from Motorola and elsewhere have analyzed the data. Most of them have concluded that the excess heat was real, and anomalous” - so it appears something cool is happening; but we don’t know how much because we have sh*tty instrumentation.


66 posted on 11/02/2011 1:28:27 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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