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To: Hodar
"What I have heard, and completely agree with is that the methodology of measuring the heat generated is dubious. As an engineer with a little experience in setting up and monitoring equipment - this perplexes me."

Too bad you agree, because the "dubiousness" exists only in the eyes of the knee-jerk antis, and arises almost entirely from their FUD suppositions. If you read the actal reports generated by those who actually did the tests, a different picture presents itself. Those reports can be found at the LENR/CANR website. I suggest reading those, and watching the accompanying videos.

18 posted on 11/02/2011 12:12:20 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Too bad you agree, because the "dubiousness" exists only in the eyes of the knee-jerk antis, and arises almost entirely from their FUD suppositions.

But, if the measurements WERE taken with a little forethought; there would be no FUD at all. For example, in the question of wet vs dry steam; let's just heat some water instead of making it steam. Increase the flow rate, heat water 'x' degrees above ambient - log the increase, calculate the power. Straight forward, no Enthalopy losses, no phase-change to p*ss and moan about. Staightforward, inexpensive and reliable.

It seems like Rossi is his own worst enemy. Why make things needlessly complex and uncertain? It does not build confidence.

BTW, work is blocking the LENR/CANR website - using my iPad to hop there now. I hope this is substanciated, this would be a world-changing device. I doubt he's a fraudster - a smart fraudster keeps his name out of the news. Make your pitch, grab the money and run. Short, sweet and quiet. Rossi is not doing any of the above. He's dragging this out (longer than I would have), he's vocal and making as big of splash as he can.

But, the mess he finds himself in, is largely of his own making. With commercial data-loggers having several hundreds of channels, he could easily borrow an Agilent data-logger capable of high resolution, hundreds of channels, and Terabytes of data - at no cost. A sales rep, in the hopes of grabbing future sales - would gladly deliver a freshly calibrated unit to him, free of charge.

32 posted on 11/02/2011 12:26:22 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Wonder Warthog

From the www.lenr-canr.org/News.htm website

“Peak power was nomionally 8 kW but the instruments werre so imprecise it might have been lower or much higher, perhaps 10 kW”.

This is where I say “WTF!! C’mon guys, call your local Omega or Agilent Field Service Engineer and show him what you want to measure. He will be more than happy to assist you in providing you the tools and probes to ACCURATELY and PRECISELY make the measurements you need”.

What we are told is that the ‘instruments’ they used can’t reliably guess the power output within 20%. What are they doing? Spitting on the sides and seeing how much it bubbles? No excuse for this crap, especially at this stage.


42 posted on 11/02/2011 12:39:27 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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