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To: wintertime
"If Obama is not a natural born citizen the it would surely be fraud for him to solicit, accept, and spend the millions collected from unknowing supporters. It would also be fraud for him to allow his name to be on the ballot.

Fraud could be easily charged, as donors identified with residence within Maricopa County are easily sorted from campaign finance disclosure reports.

That's a more probable angle of success than trying to keep Obama off the 2012 ballot, as eligibility for the ballot would be under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of State's office (unless there are County statutes which somehow supercede State regulations).

A conviction for fraud might get tied up in court, as it may have to be proven that the defendant had knowledge in advance that a fraud was being committed.

What evidence exists that Obama knowingly allowed his name to be placed on the ballot in violation of the NBC requirement? Would the separate document submitted to Hawaii and signed by Pelosi, meet that standard?

Even if the BC proves BO was not an NBC, can a court get a jury to believe BO was aware of "Vittle" and other obscure and sometimes conflicting case rulings, in advance of his candidacy?

130 posted on 11/01/2011 2:47:28 PM PDT by research99
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To: research99
What evidence exists that Obama knowingly allowed his name to be placed on the ballot in violation of the NBC requirement?
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That he taught so form of constitutional law in a law school, and should have checked out his eligibility before taking millions in donations or allowing his name to be on the ballot.

131 posted on 11/01/2011 3:03:52 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: research99

Phil Berg is a big democrat donor; he filed a suit claiming that he was defrauded because he donated money to get an eligible candidate but didn’t get one. The judge ruled it was none of his business; he had no standing.

There is no civil case that the courts can’t deny standing for. They denied standing to an opposing candidate (Alan Keyes) because they said he couldn’t have won anyway. With the courts taking up future-telling and basing decisions on that, there is no charge that they can’t skirt in similar fashion.

The courts have amazed even me with their putrid sophistry that basically says, “Go F yourself, little people. We can throw out anything we want. You don’t have standing unless we look upon you with favor. So go away, pesky little gnats.”

That’s why it HAS to come down to CRIMINAL charges. Trial by jury. Due process. Standing. All that stuff.

The courts would have us believe this is a political issue. It’s not. The man has forged 2 different birth certificates - and was so aware that the COLB was forged that his people gave the media in their packet of “documents” a copy of the COLB taken from a Snopes page. They didn’t even pretend to have anything genuine to copy from. Given that he claimed in his book to have seen his birth certificate - and given that HI Gov Neil Abercrombie has said that what they have in HI would not convince skeptics that he was born there (IOW, it ISN’T a “clean”, straightforward birth certificate like the forgeries Obama has presented - the BC Obama has used his entire life was NOT from Hawaii. IOW, Obama has known his whole life that he was not born in Hawaii, because he’s been using a birth certificate from someplace else, not having a legally-valid one from Hawaii even to this day.

That means he is clearly guilty of both forgery and perjury. This is not a political issue; it is a criminal issue. Law enforcement are the proper people to deal with this issue. Of course, Fast & Furious has revealed to us just how much integrity democrat-controlled law enforcement has... And everybody else is too busy saying these crimes are either imaginary or don’t matter, to actually do their jobs and enforce the law.


146 posted on 11/01/2011 7:44:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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