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Rick Perry’s new economic plan won’t revive his campaign
WaPo ^ | 10/25/2011 | Ed Rogers

Posted on 10/25/2011 4:12:36 PM PDT by South40

The best thing that can be said about Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s economic plan and its Tuesday rollout speech is that before now, he didn’t have a plan, and now he does. He can check that box. There wasn’t anything wrong with it, and, as a good Republican, I support everything he said. The problem is, we have supported it all before. Our voters want and appreciate creativity. This didn’t offer much in the way of anything new. This program is Steve Forbes-lite. But it is what it is. Now he has to stick with it. “Cut, Balance, and Grow” is a good slogan, but this plan will only be a net plus for Perry if, over the next few weeks, he can recall and defend the details on live TV with smart, semi-hostile reporters asking the questions.

From behind the podium, Perry looks great. He looks so much like a Hollywood-produced president, he makes Mitt Romney look grunge. But Perry’s speaking style Tuesday was not reassuring. He appeared to wander at times, and he had the occasional aside that didn’t fit the speech very well. I couldn’t tell if he was using a teleprompter. If he wasn’t, he needs one. If he was, he needs to practice with it.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: governmentemployees; heartless; perry; socialism; stealthsocialism; taxes; taxinator; taxtrain; teachers; toast; vat
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To: mylife; All
Sure. The flat tax has got to be better than what we have now.

What Rush actually said:

What we're talking about here is a return to sanity. Herman Cain's plan does it. Perry's plan at least gets us talking about it.

from here (note the headline is a freeper creation, not a Rush quote)

21 posted on 10/25/2011 4:56:23 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: mylife; All
Sure. The flat tax has got to be better than what we have now.

What Rush actually said:

What we're talking about here is a return to sanity. Herman Cain's plan does it. Perry's plan at least gets us talking about it.

from here (note the headline is a freeper creation, not a Rush quote)

22 posted on 10/25/2011 4:58:06 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: mylife
Perry spoke of the flat tax long ago. He wrote about it in his book “Fed Up”

I wish someone would directly ask Slick Rick: Who wrote your book "Fed Up"? Politicians usually don't write the books attributed to them. JFK didn't write "Profiles in Courage," for which he got the Pulitzer Prize. Even Barry Goldwater didn't write "Conscience of a Conservative." An intellectual like former professors Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey could write a book on his own, but Rick Perry, who squeaked through Texas A&M with a degree in "Animal Science"? Not very likely.

23 posted on 10/25/2011 4:58:06 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: South40

I was driving to work this am and was half listening to a Perry interview...I actually liked it. Perry seemed quite intelligent and was saying some interesting stuff. He is much better when he more relaxed and not in a national debate format.

We need tax reform. I think that appeals to the average American. There are huge segments of the population who pay zero. His plan could work and generate employment.


24 posted on 10/25/2011 5:04:12 PM PDT by khnyny (Our government has become Hal in "2001 A Space Odyssey")
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To: Hugin
I have sparred with you before on your view on "Reparations Zones," but I find your views so illogical and, frankly, disgusting that I will post again and again if need be.

One of several comments I posted you on that thread:

If you haven’t noticed, because of Democrat plantation politics most of the areas where the poor are most concentrated happen to be urban centers which are, yes, largely black.

If someone wants to write a policy focusing on our most concentrated poor areas, yes, that will focus on urban centers that are largely black.

Getting rid of these plantations helps us all.

Would you want to move to downtown Detroit so you could get a percentage off your income tax? Get real.

Moreover, you are not accurate if you think OZ only apply to black city centers. ANY locale can apply to be designated an OZ; there are no restrictions on that. ANY locale that applies and meets the criteria, including (as at the link I’ve posted upthread) abolishing minimum wage laws and implementing right-to-work laws (no unions), can become an OZ.

And, again, anyone who wants to live in an OZ is free to move there to take advantage of its (tiny) tax advantage.

Finally, as I posted on this reparations nonsense earlier:

The whole political reason for these OZ is that in most of these urban centers people have been paying ZERO taxes, In fact, they were getting a check from taxpayers, called the Earned Income Tax Credit.

ALL that changes under 999. Hence the wailing by Libs and, unfortunately, Michele Bachmann, that 999 will “hurt the poor the most.”

What’s the argument there? That because these people were paying NOTHING and now will have to pay SOMETHING, they, the poor, are “hurt the most.”

Making people who were paying nothing pay something is so far from any stink of “reparations” as to be laughable. It’s the diametric opposite.

See post #122 (at the thread linked above), especially re Michele Bachmann.

If you want to see reparations somewhere, look at the welfare state we have been paying into for decades. That is going to start to change, even just under 999. Every time someone swipes their EBT card, they would be returning 9% of their present taxpayer handout back to the taxpayers through the NRST.

from #144 at the above link.

25 posted on 10/25/2011 5:11:12 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: mylife

Oh, please. Declining to continue to allow the media to exploit an issue that has been asked and answered is not “distancing” oneself from one’s own policies.


26 posted on 10/25/2011 5:12:53 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

He threw a race bomb and when he got grilled on it he waved his hand and said “I am done with that”


27 posted on 10/25/2011 5:16:14 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

By making the flat tax optional and maintaining the entire present albatross of the present tax code monstrousity and the IRS, Perry’s plan seems to be building in more bureaucracy, more compliance costs, more desperation for crony capitalism to be pushed under the code, and more, rather than less, social division among Americans.

One of the very important principles that animates the 999 plan, a principle which comes from the Laffer Curve, is that the tax base must be broadened.

Perry’s plan does not broaden the tax base (i.e., turn more non-taxpayers into taxpayers). And it further complicates and balkanizes the tax base we have now.

I don’t see it.

And what about the fact that the 20% can be raised and raised and raised, all the while the present tax code can be made more and more complicated (i.e, corrupt) — because there is no more, and in fact there is LESS, political accountability built into the system than there is now because taxpayers would be further balkanized and, thus, could be further pitted against each other?


28 posted on 10/25/2011 5:17:33 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: hellbender

Did Cain write the books he is currently hawking to raise campaign cash?


29 posted on 10/25/2011 5:19:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: fightinJAG

I have not parsed Perrys tax plan yet.
I have taken a serious look at Cains plan and it has serious flaws.

One thing is certain to me at this point.
Both Cain and Perry are shaping the national debate.


30 posted on 10/25/2011 5:22:14 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: fightinJAG
It is not something I would want for our country.

OBTW it is not revenue neutral.


31 posted on 10/25/2011 5:24:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: fightinJAG

I agree that the optional part of Perrys plan leaves the current bureaucracy in place.

But I see no hope of Cains plan becoming reality without repeal of the second amendmant.

Heck, he calls on the “Super Committee” to implement phase 1


32 posted on 10/25/2011 5:25:52 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40
Rick Perry’s new economic plan won’t revive his campaign

Maybe not, but Cain should take another look at what Forbes and Co. were advising here. Looks better than "999."

33 posted on 10/25/2011 5:28:01 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: mylife

I really don’t know. I do know that Cain got a degree in mathematics, which is not something you can fake easily. He then worked for the Navy on ballistics. Then we went into the private sector and successfully ran real businesses. Perry has never done any of those things. He spent his college years as a male cheerleader, and would have ended his days as a tenant farmer like his father, had he not gotten into the ultimate racket, which is Demonrat politics.


34 posted on 10/25/2011 5:33:46 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Flat tax is optional

OPT OUT!!!

35 posted on 10/25/2011 5:39:00 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: mylife

Yes, Cain wrote his own book. He has written four other books, as well and this one has the same style and cadence as the other ones.

The books read a lot like his speeches, which he also writes.


36 posted on 10/25/2011 5:42:45 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: South40
I totally disagree with WaPo! I think Perry's plan is fabulous! :)

Rush said "I like Rick Perry's plan," "I think he's got a really good plan," "I think it's great, it's fabulous."

http://www.rickperry.org/cut-balance-and-grow-html/

http://www.rickperry.org/cut-balance-and-grow-pdf/

RUSH: Let me just say I've met Rick Perry a couple of times. I have no doubt in my mind that he's a conservative, none whatsoever. I don't have any doubt that Herman Cain is conservative. ...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/24/romneycare_for_illegal_immigrants

"Rick Perry is true to conservative principles even when others think the party needs to go a different direction. I like that about him: he doesn't care which way the wind blows, he acts on his beliefs."

--- Gov. Sarah Palin


37 posted on 10/25/2011 5:45:58 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: South40

ALl us “heartless” people will mot be voting for him, no matter what kind of plan he promotes.


38 posted on 10/25/2011 5:49:14 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: South40

ALl us “heartless” people will not be voting for him, no matter what kind of plan he promotes.


39 posted on 10/25/2011 5:49:40 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: hellbender

No, Perry never did any of those things.

He just ran the 2nd largest state in the nation, and an economy that is 2nd largest in the nation as well as 15th largest in the World for 3 terms.

The man is an idiot /s


40 posted on 10/25/2011 5:52:32 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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