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To: Danae

Question for you, how does this apply to John McCain? As I understand it, he was born in a US territory, on a US Armed Forces base, in a US Armed Forces hospital.


13 posted on 10/20/2011 1:27:14 PM PDT by MS from the OC (Obama foreign policy"If you're an enemy we're sorry; if you're a friend, you're sorry" Abe Greenwald)
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To: MS from the OC
As I understand it, he was born in a US territory, on a US Armed Forces base, in a US Armed Forces hospital.

No. As I understand it he was born in another hospital in Panama City -- not the military hospital. That was the whole problem.

14 posted on 10/20/2011 1:31:47 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MS from the OC
Question for you, how does this apply to John McCain? As I understand it, he was born in a US territory, on a US Armed Forces base, in a US Armed Forces hospital.

He was not. McCain was born in a Panamanian hospital: civilian, not military.

While I'm not aware of the Supreme Court ruling on this specific issue, at least one of the commonly cited sources for terms in the Constitution (Vattel's Law of Nations, and Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England) says that one exception to the natural-borne citizen requirement is a child born abroad to citizen parents in the service of the country.

Since McCain's father was a Navy officer stationed in Panama at the time, he would meet that exemption.

17 posted on 10/20/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: MS from the OC

McCain was born in Colon Panama, a city in Panama. It wasn’t the military base. He wasn’t born in U.S. Territory. He got a free pass from Congress, which Obama co-authored I believe (going from memory here). but that doesn’t make it LAW. SCOTUS wrote that in 1875, and it is why McCain didn’t bust Obama on this, he had the same problem.


18 posted on 10/20/2011 1:38:02 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: MS from the OC

This entire issue is bunk.


21 posted on 10/20/2011 1:43:09 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: MS from the OC

“...he was born in a US territory, on a US Armed Forces base, in a US Armed Forces hospital.”

No.

Panama was NEVER a U.S. territory. Panama never surrendered sovereignty of its nation or the land adjacent to the canal. The United States leased the canal and land, managing it for our own gain as we had built it.

Senator John Sidney McCain was born in Panama. The children of U.S. military personnel born overseas in U.S. military hospitals still have to be registered as derived citizens per their parent’s nationality; the miliatry hospitals are located on foreign soil.

See the following site for clarification.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Note: you will find no “natural born citizenship” on that government site. It is not a form of citizenship but an eligibility requirement to be Presdient of the United States.


120 posted on 10/20/2011 7:54:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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