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To: MS from the OC
Question for you, how does this apply to John McCain? As I understand it, he was born in a US territory, on a US Armed Forces base, in a US Armed Forces hospital.

He was not. McCain was born in a Panamanian hospital: civilian, not military.

While I'm not aware of the Supreme Court ruling on this specific issue, at least one of the commonly cited sources for terms in the Constitution (Vattel's Law of Nations, and Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England) says that one exception to the natural-borne citizen requirement is a child born abroad to citizen parents in the service of the country.

Since McCain's father was a Navy officer stationed in Panama at the time, he would meet that exemption.

17 posted on 10/20/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking

The Specific Supreme Court Ruling is Minor v. Happersett.

That is the point on my article.

The RELEVANCE of this SCOTUS case got ERASED.

Literally, that is why it wasn’t discussed. It got scrubbed weeks before anyone was even discussing Minor v Happersett.

This ruling is STILL in effect. Blackstone and Vattell are BOTH irrelevant to the discussion. What IS relevant is Minor v. Blackstone.


19 posted on 10/20/2011 1:41:05 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: justlurking
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

Sorry, guys, the Court did not here rule on the issue. It said that Group A had always been considered NBC, with doubts about whether Group B was NBC.

This does not constitute a ruling as to whether those with these doubts are correct. The Court only notes that such doubts exist.

23 posted on 10/20/2011 1:45:12 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: justlurking
Correct.

I do not like McCain, but saying that he is not a “natural born” U.S. citizen is the height of tin foil hat conspiracy theory nuttiness.

27 posted on 10/20/2011 1:46:38 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: justlurking
He was not. McCain was born in a Panamanian hospital: civilian, not military. While I'm not aware of the Supreme Court ruling on this specific issue, at least one of the commonly cited sources for terms in the Constitution (Vattel's Law of Nations, and Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England) says that one exception to the natural-borne citizen requirement is a child born abroad to citizen parents in the service of the country. Since McCain's father was a Navy officer stationed in Panama at the time, he would meet that exemption.

Absolutely correct. So few understand this very important point. When your father was aboroad in the service of the King, you were considered as born in-country. McCain was born to two American citizen parents, something Barry Soetoro cannot claim.

100 posted on 10/20/2011 6:13:10 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: justlurking
McCain's citizenship is irrelevant. This is all astroturfing by David Axelrod a master of the technique.

The left will go all out to supposedly prove that McCain was a citizen, (who cares it does not matter). In reality its all about zero. They will use McCain as a useful tool with his ego to try and suggest that zero too was legal. Then the left will suggest their supposed efforts to legitimize McLettuce is proof zero is legal when the proverbial sh_t hits the fan. They know its all coming apart at the seams they want it to since its all planned. Part of their chaos all the time project.

Once the challenges by us start the meme will "change" to conservatives are all racists just picking on their black guy slick stuff. It's astroturfing right up the regime's alley.

255 posted on 10/22/2011 7:26:02 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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