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To: reaganaut; stephenjohnbanker; B4Ranch; Jim Robinson

I’ll sing praise to Gary Herbert, the governor of my great state, and Ezra Taft Benson, as well. If you want to drag these great conservative men into your sewer of hate, as is your wont, by all means do so. I’m not LDS. I certainly don’t invite any of the fine conservative LDS folks I know to this site, and they detest Romney as much as I do. At least the mods remove the anti-negro posts here, lest the mainstream picks up on them... anti-mormon must be the new cool.

It’s a straw man argument, and can only degrade the political force of this site. Should we join the occupiers and denounce Jewish bankers too?


2,031 posted on 10/18/2011 10:20:20 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: glock rocks; stephenjohnbanker; B4Ranch; Jim Robinson

I worked for ET Benson’s son, Reed. He was a nice man but taken advantage of. He also was mentally incompetent the last few years of his life (even according to his son) and his counselors lied to their own members about it. It was a wake up moment for me as a Mormon when I found out.

Last time I checked we still have freedom of speech in this country and your comparison of speaking out against a heretical group to racism or anti-semitism is appalling. I do not speak from ignorance, I speak from experience.


2,040 posted on 10/18/2011 10:29:23 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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To: glock rocks; stephenjohnbanker; B4Ranch; Jim Robinson

Did you miss the thread last year where JR moved a thread about Joseph Smith to breaking news?

And show me where I have said anything against ET Benson specifically or any other specific Mormon.

As I have said before, I am not anti-Mormon, I don’t hate Mormons, I love them enough to tell them the truth, the truth their own church doesn’t tell them.

Or do you think it is ok for a church to lie to its members about its history and doctrines.


2,043 posted on 10/18/2011 10:31:48 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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To: glock rocks
I’ll sing praise to Gary Herbert, the governor of my great state, and Ezra Taft Benson, as well.

If you want to drag these great conservative men into your sewer of hate, as is your wont, by all means do so.

Oh no; we'll let their own WORDS speak for them!




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

2,102 posted on 10/19/2011 3:29:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: glock rocks
At least the mods remove the anti-negro posts here,

MORMONism, Inc. wishes that THEY could do the same to the historical record; but it's way too late!


 


 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 
 


2,103 posted on 10/19/2011 3:31:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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