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To: Candor7
When into Kenyan politics someone from Chicago introduces a radical element of protest politics acccording to people like unconvicted Weathermen bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn and liberationist theology of Rev. Ralph Wright, all Obama’s political mentors, what happens is a form of radical neo colonialism, which destroys the delicate tribal balances of which you speak.The result in Kenya was massacre.And I think Obama was distinctly wrong to do that, immoral in fact.

You "logic" is impressive, especially when one remembers that the nation that gave the World the "Mau Mau" needs no lessons in violence. I appreciate why many people don't like Obama (for his economic policies, philosophy etc), but when you start throwing around wild conspiracy theories that cannot be substantiated, you do a lot of harm to the Conservative movement.

You need to remember that the political situation in America is not necessarily representative of the political situation everywhere else in the World. (Hint: we are not re-fighting your sixties-era culture wars in Africa, our very bloody wars are being triggered by something else).

I used to think that the most gullible Americans were liberals, now conservatives are giving them a run for their money: Pat Robertson was conned by Mobutu and Charles Taylor, George Bush was conned by Ahmed Chalabi (who was two-timing with Iran), Karzai and Musharraf and the US Christian Right was conned by Gbagbo (who claimed to be a Christian in spite of his several wives and patronage of marabouts).

It is so easy for ambitious politicians ANYWHERE in the World to con Americans:

(1). Claim your opponents support a radical American figure on the left or right (depends on who you want to lobby - democrat or republican).

(2). Claim your opponent is an Islamist or supports Islamists - works like a charm every time. (Americans are either too lazy or too uninterested most of the time to do due diligence on your claims).

This is why we hear that Uganda (a nation with 85% Christian population and in which 32% of Ugandans born into Islam are now Christians - Pew Forum) is now in danger of turning into the latest outpost of a World wide Islamic Caliphate. That is why we hear that Kenya (a nation with 83% Christian population) is now turning to into an Islamic state.

If America doesn't update its knowledge of the wider World, it is very likely going to played for a VERY LONG time.

Heard of Uhuru Kenyatta? (Jomo's son - a Kikuyu). He was indicted by the ICC on five counts of crimes against humanity (committed during the 2007 Presidential election violence). He was a Kibaki supporter and if you could get him to tell the truth, he'd probably tell you that he learned violence from Daddy who had a lot to do with the Mau Mau.

234 posted on 10/15/2011 11:03:20 AM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AfricanChristian; Fred Nerks

Great Post. I do not find expanding my awareness painful at all, unlike many people ( of course that was different when I was younger, LOL).

I do know that violence crosses all spectrums of political endeavour in many parts of Africa, and yes Uhuru Kenyatta’s hatefulness does not surprise me.But I still think that Obama is a neo colonialist who pokes himself into situations which prevent the natural evolution of truly indiginous democratic culture.

Some of our democratic traditions came from native Americans, for example, and in 1776, Americans had culturally evolved from being European, and it was this difference which propelled much of the independence movement back then.Its the same with tribal dynamics, I think,there needs to be space and intergenerational peace so that the social mechanisms of indiginous cultures of freedom can evolve together.Defining enemies continuously is not the natural state of mankind, IMHO.

As far as Obama goes, his problem is deeply rooted in a greater history and that of the social movement that has supported him.It is not a matter of dislike, but of the fact that his politics are nothing but abhorrent of traditional democratic freedoms.

This pretty much describes it:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

I do not throw around wild conspiracy theories, what I do is look for evidence of activity and interpret it.I pay little attention to propaganda.You will notice that there are social movements now unhindered in Sudan, Libya, Somalia
and Egypt which will likely bring those nations under the totalitarian pall of Sharia law.So be it.But that does not bode well for future peace in our world, nor for peace in Africa in particular. With the proliferation of nuclear arms likely to come from Iran, it is fraught with a specific gravitas.One shudders to think that a man similar to Uhuru Kenyatta might one day be in charge of a nuclear arsenal, for example.

I agree with you that Americans tend to assume that similar dynamics on our domestic scene drive politics abroad, but that is because we often do not have at our disposal, access to sources abroad which present factual truth. This is especially true during the last 7 years or so. And it is forums like this one that mitigate that trend, and why your posts are appreciated.

Few believed me when I stated repeatedly here that the Bedou of Libya would never surrender to the current “freedom movement” of Libya, catalyzed by Obama’s defining Qadaffi as a world class enemy.(Who will it be next week? LOL.)I am afraid there will be violence from the desert in Libya for a very long time and the gates of the Sahara into deeper continental Africa will not go untested for those who wish they were.Nor do I see Qadaffi as purely evil either and perhaps his greatest sin was to attempt to bring Libya into the modern era too quickly.It was a prosperous country, and the former building boom of Tripoli is now a ruin, with rats skulking about through piles of rubble.Death and destruction is the legacy of Obama as a matter of fact, just as it was from the election riots in Kenya in 2007.


240 posted on 10/15/2011 12:39:12 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: AfricanChristian

It is so easy for ambitious politicians ANYWHERE in the World to con Americans:

(1). Claim your opponents support a radical American figure on the left or right (depends on who you want to lobby - democrat or republican).

(2). Claim your opponent is an Islamist or supports Islamists - works like a charm every time. (Americans are either too lazy or too uninterested most of the time to do due diligence on your claims).

This is why we hear that Uganda (a nation with 85% Christian population and in which 32% of Ugandans born into Islam are now Christians - Pew Forum) is now in danger of turning into the latest outpost of a World wide Islamic Caliphate. That is why we hear that Kenya (a nation with 83% Christian population) is now turning to into an Islamic state. ......................>>>>>>>

Well here is some news that might interest you:

“Sudan will go ahead with plans to adopt an entirely Islamic constitution and strengthen Islamic law, President Omar Hassan al-Bashir said on Wednesday, three months after its former civil war enemy South Sudan became independent.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793198/posts


246 posted on 10/15/2011 2:31:04 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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