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To: Candor7

There was serious election violence in Kenya in 2007 and that violence was driven by ethnic rivalry between the Luo and other ethnic groups (Odinga) against the Kikuyu (Kibaki).

Without boring you, please understand that neither Odinga nor Kibaki are angels. There is also credible evidence that Kibaki rigged the election - so where is the outrage against Kibaki and the Kikuyu?

Anyone who grew up in Africa will tell you that tribalism is an unfortunate fact of life and there are no “innocent” tribes. Many conservatives in the States have swallowed a lot of tribal tainted nonsense simply because they think it fits their narrative on Obama. It is nonsense, and it does the conservative movement no favours.


230 posted on 10/15/2011 9:00:42 AM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: AfricanChristian

Thank you but your point is not an excuse , on the contrary, for Obama messing , for obscure personal interests , into those tribal wars...

Explain to us where is the US’ interest there.

I remind you that Obama happens to be ,shamefully, president of USA and that it matters for sane americans(conservatives)


231 posted on 10/15/2011 9:17:20 AM PDT by Ulysse (a)
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To: AfricanChristian; Fred Nerks

I absolutely agree with you that Kibaki rigged the election, but the result is the cultural mitigation of “democracy” along tribal lines which results in peace and balance.Kenya had a long peaceful interlude due to this “undemocratic” mixture of vote and tribal culture.Because of this fact the Kenyan people enjoyed a long operiod of peace and relative prosperity compared to other African nations.

When into Kenyan politics someone from Chicago introduces a radical element of protest politics acccording to people like unconvicted Weathermen bombers Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn and liberationist theology of Rev. Ralph Wright, all Obama’s political mentors, what happens is a form of radical neo colonialism, which destroys the delicate tribal balances of which you speak.The result in Kenya was massacre.And I think Obama was distinctly wrong to do that, immoral in fact.

Kibaki may not be an angel, but the system over which he presides of balanced tribal politics and evolutionary democracy brings peace, and assured the continuing evolution of tribal politics towards a uniquely African form of genuine democratic rule.

Now Kenya has the Chicago radical form of rule, which is essentially nationalist socialist, dedicated to totalitarian government, esconced within Kenya’s government as a 5th column.I do not feel remiss in cheering for Kibaki, and often wonder what Jomo Kenyatta would think of what has happened to Uhuru in his precious country. I wonder if he would see Obama as a radical neo-colonialist as I do, imposing alien Chicago radical politics on a delicately balanced tribal traditional ( maybe conservative )political system.Instead of the British Raj to contend with, Kenyans now have the Radical Raj of Chicago, and all of his running dogs, among whom I count Odinga.


232 posted on 10/15/2011 9:25:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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