Posted on 10/07/2011 11:31:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
“I agree with the premise of the article. If Mitt is the nominee, he’s only the slightest bit to the right of Obama. Witness the two healthcare programs. If Mitt is the nominee many republicans are going to figure, ‘why bother. A difference that makes no difference, IS not difference.’”
I agree. Unless another issue draws them to the polls, it we be a ho hum turnout. Besides, I WILL NEVER vote for Romney...even in a general election.
She would have had to work hard and probably would have beat Obama, because he sucks ass to an almost unimaginable degree.
Whoever our nominee turns out to be will have had to work hard and probably will beat Obama, because he sucks ass to an almost unimaginable degree.
Please don't be Romney though.
In other words, she broke YOUR heart so you went on the attack against her on all kinds of threads.
Some people are trying a "draft Sarah" movement: and as she said at Liberty University tonight, "Those individuals were willing to trust me with nuclear weapons but not to make the choice to run?" (or similar verbiage).
If you trolls and RINOS had got BEHIND Palin she would have swept Romney away like used Kleenex. Blame yourself.
And there ya go again with the venom and insults so common to your posts. In your mind people who didn't get behind Palin are trolls and RINO's.
No, the ones who infested her threads constantly were trolls and RINOs. I only recall one Cainiac who consistently went after Sarah on FR, and he's been called a flake and troll by other people on other grounds. (That person is also a member of Darwin Central, which has a history of shall we say less than best-friends relations with FR, waxing and waning in cold-shoulderdom over time.)
The truth is Palin failed utterly to do any of the things necessary to run.
I don't know that for sure: apparently she had a strong ground game waiting for the word in a number of early states.
The fact that she is not a presidential candidate is entirely on her.
So the ENTIRE GOP hierarchy not standing up for her in the aftermath of Tucson had nothing to do with her image among the "independents"? The backstabbing of Nicole Wallace and Stephen Schmidt, the full court press of knowingly empty lawsuits and constant bad press had NOTHING to do with it?
The GOP, nor any of its national spokesmen and members, sat by and let her take artillery fire because she threatened their corrupt little asses.
The minute she quit her gig as governor and cashed in and started doing stupid realityTV, she became a celebrity instead of a serious contender.
On the contrary, that was a stroke of political genius: rehabbing her image from "out-of-control loon" to "happy genuine outdoorsy woman who's proud of her state" and doing so without costing her money: and in a position where it wasn't a paid political advertisement, but a "neutral setting" by comparison to infomercials: and aimed squarely at one of her target constituencies should she choose to run: and for her to get PAID for it was a master stroke.
Money, campaign infrastructure and organization and a cadre of capable staffers is what makes or breaks a campaign. Perry has many of those things and will likely be competitive through the primaries. Other candidates, not so much. Palin failed to put together any of those things.
She had some of them: but since she didn't QUIT the race, rather she never entered it, it remains a matter of conjecture how much she WOULD have raised had she declared. Compare the still-enthusiastic response to her rhetoric tonight at Liberty University, even after her announcement not to run.
Palin's political wounds are all self inflicted - and that assumes she actually ever had any ambition to run for the White House in the first place.
Tell me which of these were self-inflicted:
Tina Fey
Katie Couric's editing of SIX HOURS of interviews to produce two "gotcha" moments -- why didn't Couric give her a neutral interview? Not Palin's fault. Otherwise you cede to the MSM the "right" to be leftist shills and whores instead of calling them on it.
Charles Gibson LYING about her quote ON THE AIR during their interview.
McCain muzzling her and not running in Michigan.
The series of dozens of knowingly groundless lawsuits against her in Alaska (including one calling her carefully-vetted-with-lawyers LEGAL DEFENSE FUND "illegal")
Going Rouge: An American Nightmare counter to her first New York Slimes Bestseller
Hollywood including Matt Damon (Matt Damon) going apeshit over her and lying that she wanted to force creationism in the schools, and others lying she wanted to ban books (even the librarian involved denied she ever tried to ban any books)
David Letterman openly joking about her daughter getting pregnant by statutory rape by a professional athlete.
Mike Tyson fantasizing about a rape of Palin so violent it would drive her digestive tract up into her skull
Sheriff Dipstick openly linking Palin to the Tucson murders in public on the air during an interview in his official capacity even as he admitted he had no evidence for it.
Yeah, all of those were her fault.
You are a lying troll.
That's not whining: it is proof that it isn't HER doing: and show me another candidate who had this level of baldface lies directed at them WHILE JUST A PRIVATE CITIZEN and NOT IN OFFICE.
Obama is an leftist idiot, but he had been deeply involved in politics for a very long time.
Not in an elected capacity for a "VERY LONG TIME".
Cain is vastly better in every way compared to Hussein, but he is a political novice and badly lost the only primary he even ran in.
It all depends on time and circumstances. Reagan lost to Ford in '76 (who then got beat by Carter) and then won two of the largest landslides in US history against that same Carter.
Like or not, a majority of Americans bought into Obama's rhetoric and flowery oratory. Not so sure Cain is polished enough to have much of an advantage in the charisma category.
It's obvious YOU still want to service Obama: but the rest of America has noticed that gas prices have doubled, they're underwater on their mortgages, and many of them haven't worked for two or three years. And there are bankruptcies left and right while Obaama goes on tony luxury vacations to Martha's Vineyard and overseas.
You may be stupid and dishonest, but other people have noticed: to the point that there are rumors that the DEMS may primary Obama.
Trying to talk him up to scare people into a moderate just isn't going to work.
Saying that, I don't support things like his 999 plan because I absolutely don't want a consumption tax. It's the centerpiece of his campaign and once it falls under scrutiny I think it won't be popular. I think Cain will fade and we will be left with the 2 candidates that can raise the most money and build the biggest campaign organizations in all the primary states - Romney and Perry.
The problem is that the "99%ers" who are the ones protesting Wall Street aren't REALLY going to be able to be terrified by a mere 9% tax. In actual terms it may affect their lifestyle in the short term: but it will create a chimney effect by removing barriers to UPWARD mobility.
And for once it puts the class warfare morons on the defensive: it is hard to demagogue a 9% tax rate.
And I think your delusional and still trying to rationalize how you got it so wrong. Your grasping for excuses as to why she didn't run. Pretty much everyone in the political or celebrity spotlight deals with death threats against themselves and/or their family.
I'm not grasping for anything: I took her word for it when she announced, and in FR comments and pieces I wrote just before, and since, then I pointed out that her biggest concern was advancing conservatism, NOT becoming President: and that her delays were seeking the best opportunity; and that if the opening she didn't want wasn't there, she wouldn't run this time.
The "Death Threats" are because in the Sep. 20 interview (I think on Hannity) she actually looked rattled in a way she couldn't hide, and I had NEVER seen on her face before.
Note that I said *credible* threat: and let me know the number of Facebook pages entitled "Every Day I Wake Up Sad Because Rick Perry Is Still Alive" with an Obaama-Hope style poster of Perry holding a semi-automatic pistol to his temple with a crazed look on his face...
None of that changes the heart of this debate.
It does, because one of your central contentions is that I viciously attacked EVERYONE not a Palin fan. That was sufficient counterexample of a prominent Freeper I didn't excoriate for it; there are others.
A cult of personality grew up around Sarah that was not healthy and too many of her adherents were operating out of emotion and obsession rather than logic and reason.
I'm not one of them. Even some Palin detractors said as much to me after she declined to run.
You were wrong about the Palin situation. You should admit it and move on.
No, I want to leverage the disappointment into a tidal wave against the left.
The OP article is wrong. The fact that Palin is out does not mean Obama wins.
Perry will be excoriated by the left as "BUSH RE-LOADED" and be almost as much a target as Palin for rallying the left.
And as you pointed out, he doesn't have the brains to counter it: he doesn't even know how to play to the Conservative Base, with whom he should already have the strongest sympathy.
And if Romney gets the nod, we may have a Pyrrhic stalemate with BOTH bases discouraged.
Cheers!
Good information there. Thanks.
Actually, my BA is in Poly Sci, but my PH D is history. Anyway, I think actually my point was the reverse unless I said it wrong, that Palin's support was a mile deep but an inch wide---that those who love her love her, and those who don't like her really don't like her. But that wasn't what convinced me she wasn't running---it was the lack of statewide organizations, "Oranizing4Palin" be damned. I went to the web site many times and it would show "no request found" when you clicked on many key primary states, as well as OH---a key state in any event. So I knew nothing was really "happening" at the grassroots as some people said.
Anyway, Elmer Fudd can beat Obama in 2012, so we have to nominate a conservative Fudd.
As far as the lack of statewide organizations, I kept on hoping to find a "minnesotans for palin" but there just wasn't one, and the legendary Mrs. Whiskers and I are too busy. :-(
Also, I was at a complete loss as to her likely or wise choice for VP would be.
My best guess was Petraeus to shore up her military / foreign policy chops, but I still wasn't satisfied.
Agreed that Elmer Fudd can beat Obaama: else why would there be Dem rumors of primarying him?
Now that Our Lady of the Tundra has put her hat rakishly back on her head, rather than in the ring, do *you* have a preference?
(I'm leaning Cain, and MIGHT lean Newt if he picks a true conservative. Perry and Romney are equally anathema, with the possible exception that if either one can be persuaded to vote / nominate conservatively in the wake of a 2nd Teanami in 2012, I *might* reluctantly put up with it; it'd also depend who they chose for VP.)
Finally, we need to stress turnout (speaking of teanamis) in order to continue the triumphant sweep of LOWER offices.
The Presidency is important this time around for the Supreme Court Picks...if the libs get a 5-4 or a 6-3, it's lights out for the Republic.
Cheers!
Right now, in order, it’s Cain, then Perry, then Gingrich. I shudder to think if we have to go much lower.
Yes, I agree, something happened recently.....very recently, but I doubt we'll ever really know the whole story. OTOH, I don't think that it was anything hiding in any closet, though I could be wrong. LOL
Pretty damned LOUSY, if you ask me and you did.
We’re heading into a double-dip recession. Hard as it may be to believe, things are going to get a lot worse between now and the end of 2012. No incumbent president can survive that, even with the full force of the media-establishment behind him and even if the Republicans nominate a lackluster candidate. Obama will not get a second term.
No... what I meant by “skeletons in the closet” was... if what happened recently is hidden, it could be something that circles back to something that is already known. I think she was vetted extensively. I don’t think there is some deep, dark, secret about Palin. I think when we look at her, we get what we see.
But whatever has happened must relate to what we already know about her. What do we know about her? So the new event that has shaken her... that’s what is being hidden, and it relates to who we know her to be.
Perhaps you're correct, but I have a different theory, that I'll tell you via FREEPmail, if you want to hear it. If you do, just drop me a note.
His "position?" He can talk all he wants -- I care about what he's done as a Governor and that is just about nothing. Texas Ranger Recce Teams? C'mon! There's not enough of them in the whole organization to cover even a small slice of the border. A virtual fence is just lip service and anybody that's not for a barrier is going to be suspect in other areas as a "conservative" IMHO. As far as Cain getting "foot in mouth" issues, they all will do that to some degree. The point is that Cain's inexperience in foreign policy doesn't speak to his competence to be POTUS. A good leader (there is EVERY indication that leadership is Cain's strongest attraction) will surround himself with the best in each area the country has to offer and then listen to their counsel before making a decision which any good leader is going to have to do. This POTUS (Zero) has surrounded himself with sycophants and drivelling idiots just like himself. Is it any wonder the country is a mess?
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