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no-to-illegals: “On this planet trial and error, mostly error, rule the day, simply because nobody is intelligent enough to avoid error.”

So what about the millions of Americans, including FReepers, who understand what’s going on and want to change it? Are we all unintelligent, too? No. Your point is nonsense. A lot of people know exactly how to solve this mess. It’s called returning to the small government, free market, and individual responsibility that created our great wealth in the first place.

A lack of morality is our problem, not intelligence. There are still many millions of moral Americans left who do not think it’s right to steal from their neighbors.

I cannot and will not say you are incorrect. I too believe in smaller government. Yes many people know what is going on and many of them are FReepers. I do not disagree. What is worrisome is governments, all governments, seek to control their populations. (imho) this is what governments believe is their objective. While smaller government is an answer, how many politicians ever speak of smaller government. (imho) not many politicians do, and how many in government ever agree to smaller government? Very few (imho). I mostly agree with your post. I do not claim to have all the answers (nor am I an expert), and will state or type, most politicians do not have the answers. History is wraught with errors, some seen, some unseen. Most are incapable of learning from the past (imho) because error is always present in each policy enacted. If I had every solution to every problem I would be someone who could not be elected for elections of those who solve problems seldom occurs. If we elected problem solvers, there would still be error for there is always consequences to every action. Reset maybe, though there will be no support for such an idea because there will be losers who played by the rules. When seeking solutions, as all who frequent this forum do, there is still room for those perceived solutions to be filled with error. Just as any thought can be full of error, any solution can be full of error. Have come to believe it is a way of life and will not change, even though I desire it to change and there be no error, yet realize humans are always going to make errors, even though many do not desire or want errors. Errors (imho) are a reflection, of free will, granted by God. Free Will to me means there will be error. America did elect a zer0, or it was told to us, we did. zer0 is one big a$$ mistake America. Error always happens (imho) because the masses are fraught with error due to free will. Do I want to give up free will? No. Great wealth always exists on paper. Paper is always worthless, unless someone is willing to recognize that paper has value. So a solution is sought when the paper becomes worthless or near worthless, as day by day the global economies go a little further down the path to holding worthless paper. War is the result of paper gone worthless. So while one argues for one side or the other, the problem(s) continue to exist, therefore I cannot argue a collapse is the only solution, though it is one solution. And will agree a lack of morality is our problem, though will argue the collective intelligence of this planet is lacking in fermenting an error-less society. Stealing is always wrong. But how do you propose to stop stealing? There are far too many who view stealing as a way of life. Many of the thieves are governments. Then there is the normal everyday thief. A beginning is necessary though there will always be those who will use their free will to not abide by the rules and will steal. If you and I could bottle the solutions, we could sell for top dollar, till the thieves showed up. (imho ...)