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Major Plane Crash at Reno Air Races Many dead [NTSB Update: 11 Dead; Over 50 Injured]]
16 Sep 2011 | vanity

Posted on 09/16/2011 5:15:07 PM PDT by PilotDave

A P-51 crashed into a vip area at the reno air races about 25. Initial reports indicate many deaths.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aviation; reno; renoairraces
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To: DFG
Jimmy Leeward
101 posted on 09/16/2011 6:34:28 PM PDT by DFG (Proud Barbarian)
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To: George Varnum

“That tends to lend credence to my speculation (shared by several others btw) of a blackout caused by G-forces in the turn.”

The early reports mentioned several times that he’d declared “Mayday”. If so, that wouldn’t seem consistent with a blackout, would it?


102 posted on 09/16/2011 6:34:31 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: George Varnum

FAA inspectors on the scene witnessed the crash.

-KTLA News, Los Angeles


103 posted on 09/16/2011 6:34:53 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: PilotDave
At 39:20 in this video.

Caution: some graphic content.

104 posted on 09/16/2011 6:38:08 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: George Varnum
Do not be surprised this is the last Reno Air Races ever from this tragedy, one that reminds me of that air show crash at Sknyliv airfield in the Ukraine in 2002 that killed 77 and injured 543.

The worst part of this disaster was the plane impacting very close to the front of the spectator stand, and flying crash debris caused a huge number of injuries and unfortunately deaths.

105 posted on 09/16/2011 6:38:16 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: George Varnum

Agree totally with you. However he was 80yo so he got a full life just it is a real shame he took others with him.


106 posted on 09/16/2011 6:40:07 PM PDT by Rapunzel (Run SARAH run)
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To: Magic Fingers

No, it wouldn’t. Mayday + ‘augured into ground’ sounds like straight line wind? Might also explain the diverse injuries.


107 posted on 09/16/2011 6:40:33 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: George Varnum
... it was extremely difficult to bail out of.

From pictures, I believe it was a highly modified razorback P-51 -- even harder to get out of than the P-51Ds and later, with their bubble canopy...

108 posted on 09/16/2011 6:41:56 PM PDT by umbagi
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I just get my machine workin' (otherwise I'd not have seen this).

Mom's mobo is already in the hobo zone. SO: I get my Dad's machine workin' (so Mom can get crucial eMails from her sewing buddies; at LEAST in some obtuse fashion for a temporary period). Dad's HDD suddenly went south, i.e. system locked up and upon re-boot: "INVALID SYSTEM DISK, press enter to reboot" ( or whatetever the stinkin' messege was).

Who cares what my specific prollems were/are (and I'm still workin' 'em out)? The fact is after the LEAST bit of success on my end:

...now THIS happen.

109 posted on 09/16/2011 6:43:12 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Magic Fingers

Re: “...early reports mentioned several times that he’d declared “Mayday”.”

Now that’s the first time I’ve seen that significant bit of information. It does indeed alter our speculations a bit, and after the investigation is completed I’m sure that I’m not the only one who will be proven to have been way off the mark.

A lot more data and evidence will need to be collected and carefully analyzed before anyone really knows for certain what caused this tragedy or how it might have been prevented... if they ever know.

Sometimes you never can tell for sure, and an educated guess or speculation is what you’re left with.

It is one conceivable scenario however, lacking any preceding transmission. I rather doubt that any of these airplanes had a “black box” data recorder on board.


110 posted on 09/16/2011 6:45:08 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
  :-(

thanks VR

111 posted on 09/16/2011 6:48:16 PM PDT by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: PilotDave

Just got off the phone with my husband who is there. He said the force blew a lot of people over - he ended up helping people - one guy was covered in blood and parts of bodies - he got him to his hotel and back with his family. Was talking in such an excited way that I didn’t get the whole story and he had to go.


112 posted on 09/16/2011 6:49:05 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: George Varnum

That’s why the mods killing these breaking news threads is ridiculous. It’s impossible to cross-tab important pieces of data when you have threads appearing and disappearing. Best wait until the dust settles before downgrading threads because you lose the crucial ‘my friend saw’ or ‘I heard’ which pan out often to be facts.


113 posted on 09/16/2011 6:51:17 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: Aria; George Varnum

He said the force blew a lot of people over


I wonder if that was impact force or straight-line force..

prayers again....


114 posted on 09/16/2011 6:53:56 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: umbagi

115 posted on 09/16/2011 6:54:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: txhurl

Presser coming up shortly...

-KTLA News


116 posted on 09/16/2011 6:56:34 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Aria
Just read this on another post..thoughts?? From the comments section of youtube: My Aunt and Uncle were there. The elevator trim tab came off and the plane became uncontrollable. My Uncles brother was flying the 4th plane, right behind the one that crashed and had to watch it happen. Age had nothing to do with this, even a 20 year-old pilot would have crashed. Have some respect and keep everyone involved in your prayers, no matter what God you pray to. MrMartell77 2 minutes ago
117 posted on 09/16/2011 6:56:55 PM PDT by rainee
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To: Royal Wulff

Just wow. The P-51 totally disintegrated. Nothing left. And it looks like it took out some old vets and their spouses. One guy clearly lost his leg. This is about as bad as it gets.


118 posted on 09/16/2011 6:57:22 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Beaten Valve

Another thread has a trailing pilot seeing an elevator breaking off.


119 posted on 09/16/2011 6:59:03 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: txhurl

For the non pilots (like me) what’s an elevator?


120 posted on 09/16/2011 6:59:59 PM PDT by sissyjane (Did you plug the hole yet Daddy????)
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