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Perry on TARP support: No 'Ma'am'
Politico ^ | 09/16/11 | Ben Smith

Posted on 09/16/2011 12:46:22 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper

After an appearance in Newton, Iowa today, Rick Perry denied to an unidentified woman that he'd ever supported the 2008 bank bailout known as TARP.

"No Ma'am," he told her.

"I thought I saw a letter where you had written encouraging the support of TARP legislation," he persisted.

"You saw wrong," he replied flatly, as shown in this video, taken by a tracker, of this morning's event.

This isn't the first time the issue has come up, and the questioner might be excused for having read Perry's October 1 letter that way. The letter, co-signed by then-Gov. Joe Manchin in their capacities as heads of the RGA and DGA, came three days after TARP's failure to pass the House rocked the markets.

The AP covered the letter with the headline, "Governors, Business Up Pressure for Bailout Bill." It's very hard to read otherwise.

"We strongly urge Congress to leave partisanship at the door and pass an economic recovery package," they wrote. "It is time for Washington, D.C. to step up, be responsible, an do what's in the best interest of American taxpayers and our economy."

Perry, later that day, released a statement that seemed aimed at countering the impression left by his letter without clarifying what he was calling for: "[G]overnment should not be in the business of using taxpayer dollars to bail out corporate America. Congress needs to take off its partisan gloves and work together to bring both short and long term stability to the credit markets....”

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To: EternalVigilance

Imho, we are going back to the 11th commandment of Reagan’s regarding this issue. Do I agree with it? I think it’s a mistake. I think that it will always come back to bite a candidate, regardless.


141 posted on 09/16/2011 3:45:11 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I’m not upset at all. You bore me with your lengthy posts. I’ve said all I care to say in my previous post to you.


142 posted on 09/16/2011 3:45:38 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR so, support it! If you support Sarah Palin, & want on her ping list, let me know!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So let me get this straight....

Perry pens a letter that suggests that main street needs help besides wall street....and ask for help.

But that means nothing.

Got it....

As for the Porkulus....that was behind the scenes at that time and indeed in my mind Perry was addressing this along with his DGA crony.

So your take that he was just telling Pelosi that hey it's bad out here and not advertising for a handout is just not reality in my book.

143 posted on 09/16/2011 3:47:07 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: trisham

I’m not subject to that silly “commandment,” one that Reagan himself never followed, by the way - he ran against a sitting Republican president, after all - since I’m not a Republican.


144 posted on 09/16/2011 3:48:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Carling; EternalVigilance; winoneforthegipper; onyx

Your accusations are duly noted.


145 posted on 09/16/2011 3:49:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Carling

Rick Perry is “pro-life” in exactly the same way Stephen A. Douglas was “anti-slavery.”


146 posted on 09/16/2011 3:50:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: onyx

Yeah “oh dear”! My my my.


147 posted on 09/16/2011 3:51:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: trisham
Imho, we are going back to the 11th commandment of Reagan’s regarding this issue. Do I agree with it? I think it’s a mistake.

What, Reagan's 11th has some sort of Rick Perry exception that I didn't know about?

Laughable.

Cain's support of actual pro-choice candidates should outrage you considering your sliming of Perry's pro-life record. Of course, that would require you to have some consistency in your own beliefs, which are clearly compromised and twisted by man, and not your own personal adherence to morals.

148 posted on 09/16/2011 3:51:38 PM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’m not a Republican either. I’ve always been an “independent”.


149 posted on 09/16/2011 3:51:54 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Carling

I don’t support Palin, by the way. She’s pro-choice for states on abortion, just like Rick Perry. So is Romney.


150 posted on 09/16/2011 3:52:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance
Rick Perry is “pro-life” in exactly the same way Stephen A. Douglas was “anti-slavery.”

Please explain. Your last attempt to slime Perry was to discredit anti-abortion groups as being "corrupt". That one fell flat, so I'd like to hear this new theory.

151 posted on 09/16/2011 3:53:52 PM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: onyx
I was answering a weird response from some other freeper, but it made me think about something I wrote because that freeper quoted it. And I'll say it would have been more clear to me if you had actually mentioned it instead of dancing around it.

I had two topics in my post. The first was the three groups I saw attacking Perry the most, and how and why they were doing it.

The second topic was an observation that there was less "anti-Romney" stuff going on. I can't place a finger on it, but I noticed we didn't have the anti-Romney banners here, and certain freepers who are known to jump all over people who say things like "I don't like it, but it looks like Romney is our best hope", seem to have taken the last few days off -- and some of those freepers are in the anti-perry threads attacking Perry pretty good.

But other than proximity, I did not mean to imply, nor do I think, that it is "Palin Supporters" who are doing this. Palin supporters were just the 3rd in my list in the previous part of my comment.

I apologize for not making that clear -- I certainly did not intend to blame Palin supporters for what I perceived to be a softening of the Mitt Romney attacks. I also am not going to argue that no palin supporters might be doing this -- I just don't pay enough attention to remember which candidate everybody supports, or which freepers are or are not responding to Romney stuff.

I've noticed this on multiple boards I read occasionally, where there used to be a lot more Romney attacks. I've seen a lot more poeple suggesting Romney is our best hope, and it reminds me of what people did with McCain in 2008.

I do hope we can all agree that a strategy that ends up with Romney as our nominee is not something we should support.

152 posted on 09/16/2011 3:55:26 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Carling; onyx; DJ MacWoW; All

Are you able to construct an argument that does not include insulting your adversary?


153 posted on 09/16/2011 3:55:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; onyx; winoneforthegipper
So Charles, which is it?

"I support Palin, so I’m in the thread about her speech I just watched."

"I’ve supported Palin since she was picked to be the VP in 2008."

154 posted on 09/16/2011 3:55:59 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: EternalVigilance
I don’t support Palin, by the way. She’s pro-choice for states on abortion, just like Rick Perry. So is Romney.

Thanks for the information. It actually makes me respect your opinion. I don't agree with you on Palin or Perry, who are both solidly pro-life, but Romney can't be put in that group. He literally signed a bill (RomneyCare) that took state taxpayer money and used it to fund abortions. Romney is solidly pro-choice because of that act, and in a normal world, FR would be doing all they can to destroy his candidacy.

Once again, thank you for the disclosure. I've followed your posts for years because I agree with you on this issue. I don't agree on Palin and Perry, but I do know where you're coming from in your criticism.

155 posted on 09/16/2011 3:58:11 PM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: onyx; trisham
Yep. Herman Cain is a rock solid conservative.

I've been very impressed with him in the debates.

He also has a great sense of humor. Did you see where he reported himself to AttackWatch?

156 posted on 09/16/2011 3:58:59 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

George Bush, the republican president, was pushing for action on the economic collapse. Pelosi was the democratic leader of a democratic-controlled house.

We certainly weren’t going to pass a republican-only plan through that body, so we needed a bipartisan cooperation, if anything at all was going to be done.

There were 50 governors of 50 states, and the organizations that represented ALL 50 of them write this letter.

Again, I’ll repeat something I said a couple of days ago. I wish I could just go around attacking candidates. It is so much easier because you can just grab whatever little thing you want, and make it sound like the most evil thing in the world. “reach-across-the-aisle”!!!! Oh Noes!!!!! Speaker Pelosi!!!!!

It takes a sentence to make the wild charge, and it would take a page to explain the realities.


157 posted on 09/16/2011 3:59:47 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Carling
You two are smearing the solid pro-life record of a very pro-life Christian. You’re doing it for political reasons, which makes it even worse.

Are they still butchering babies every day in Texas? Yes, they sure are.

Notwithstanding having a "pro-life" Governor, a "pro-life" "Republican" super-majority in the Legislature, and a preponderance of "pro-life" Republican judges in the Lone Star State.

What's the best these "pro-life" Republicans have been able do do over the last decade? They defined the child in the womb as a person, and then added language that says the abortionists can kill them.

Which, in addition to being immoral, is blatantly unconstitutional on its face.

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

By codifying the killing of innocent persons, in the name of "pro-life," they've proven themselves worse than Blackmun, who admitted that under our Constitution you simply can't do that:

"The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a 'person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment."

-- Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe vs. Wade, 1973


158 posted on 09/16/2011 4:00:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Carling; trisham

You need to do some research. “Reagans 11th Commandment” wasn’t his idea. It was written by the head of the California Republican Party in 65 or 66, Gaylord Parkinson. Reagan used it for awhile and then abandoned it because he wanted to win.


159 posted on 09/16/2011 4:00:50 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: trisham; onyx

You mentioned Reagan’s 11th regarding Herman Cain, who literally has supported pro-choice candidates like Romney in the past few years.

Yet you then slime Rick Perry on abortion.

It seems hypocritical to me. If you took that as an “insult”, I can’t apologize, because I found your reference to the 11th laughable considering your posts toward Perry in this thread and others.


160 posted on 09/16/2011 4:01:13 PM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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