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Perry vs. Paul: A Texas-sized war
Washington Times ^ | 9/8/11 | Steven Dinan

Posted on 09/08/2011 10:13:49 AM PDT by Bokababe

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. — The scrap between Rick Perry and Mitt Romney may have gotten more attention in Wednesday’s presidential candidates debate, but it was tame compared to the dust-up between Mr. Perry and Rep. Ron Paul, two Texans who apparently have spent plenty of time digging up dirt on each other and aren’t afraid to use it.

At one point when the video cameras weren’t rolling — though the incident was caught by still photographers — Mr. Perry walked over Mr. Paul’s lectern, took hold of the congressman’s wrist and wagged his finger at him.

The physical exchange was matched by the intensity of the two men’s verbal attacks on each other.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
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To: Retired Greyhound
There is a difference between private citizen Ronald Reagan being a Democrat during the New Deal, and public office-holder Rick Perry being a Democrat DURING the Reagan years.

Yeah, Perry was a lot more conservative as a Democrat than Reagan was as a Democrat. Perry was considered one of the most conservative members of the Texas House, while Reagan called himself a "liberal New Deal Democrat" until at least 1948.

You might want to give up on this line of attack - all you do is point out the similarities between Perry and Reagan.

On second thought - keep it up!

121 posted on 09/08/2011 1:26:43 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: tarotsailor
""Rick Perry is quite comfortable getting physical""

What, he was a masked wrestler in his other life?

I’ve known people who do that, and it’s clearly a weak strategy when attempting to dominate conversations, silence an opponent and or intimidate.

122 posted on 09/08/2011 1:29:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Chasaway

Sometimes Ron Paul is right and sometimes he is wrong. It doesn’t matter. Its not about Ron Paul.

Physically bullying an old gentleman is punk behavior.

Any so called conservatives who would condone such behavior are low class punks. Fight the political battles like you mean it, but don’t bully old gentleman doctors.

If Perry’s so manly, perhaps he can take on Acorn. .. oh wait, there is a picture of him as governor smiling with Acorn. I guess maybe he only bullies old men etc..


123 posted on 09/08/2011 1:30:05 PM PDT by helpfulresearcher (Bipartisanship: The PC Term for Collaboration with the Enemy)
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To: Bokababe

” I’d read some about him, but had never seen him talk or debate before. Overall, I’d have said that he’s in the bland Romney, “write anything you want on to him” category. Don’t hate him or love him, because there isn’t much there to feel one way or the other about — before this. Now, he just looks rude and weak to me. “

You took the words right out of my brain. Spot on.


124 posted on 09/08/2011 1:34:13 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: texmexis best
Paul does not look intimidated and I think that is the story behind the picture.

Ron Paul looks surprised and Perry looks pissed. Ron Paul isn't an easy guy to intimidate, so I wouldn't use that as a gauge.

Want another one?

Perry again looks furious at Ron Paul. Ron Paul is laughing and Huntsman is leaning away from Perry and toward Ron Paul. Paul is not intimidated, but Perry is puffed up like a gorilla trying hard to be intimidating.

Bad form.

125 posted on 09/08/2011 1:39:54 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: svcw
Paul needs to leave the Republican party again.

Like he did back in 1987, to run against Ronald Reagan.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=C88SAAAAIBAJ&sjid=u_sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4237,5032504&dq=ron-paul

126 posted on 09/08/2011 1:42:53 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Like he did back in 1987, to run against Ronald Reagan.

Uhhhhh...Ronald Reagan was on his way out of office in 1987. In 1988, Ron Paul was running against George H. Bush -- "Mr. New World Order" never having been president would not have harmed this country one iota.

127 posted on 09/08/2011 1:53:17 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Chasaway

” However, my point is that I damn well want someone up there that will intimidate, bully or grab by the throat if necessary, to get folks’ attention and get this thing back on track. “

” I’m looking for someone that will be a mensch, a man, a leader...and if necessary, a bully...to get something different going. “

” If being tough, intimidating or even “bullying” will get it done, I’m for it. “

Take a 30 second break from the apologetics and try to visualize Reagan in the campaign pulling something like this. According to your statements Reagan would not qualify as a mensch or a man in your book. I beg to differ.

Even if Ron Paul had called him a Satanist, he’s a crazy old man. If Perry doesn’t have the capacity to win the war of ideas and expose Paul for a fool, and has enough of a control issue to lay hands on a decrepit old man in a nationwide media venue, he’s not stable enough for the big leagues...not by a long shot.

My next question is whether his wife has ever had unexplained bruises. If he were an average joe, that’s what your next thought would be, too.


128 posted on 09/08/2011 1:55:16 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: dragnet2

Slow down and read before you kneejerk attack posters who are trying to support your point. Don’t worry, it didn’t leave a mark. Cheers


129 posted on 09/08/2011 1:59:13 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: Bokababe; svcw

You are right. I was confusing two topics and not paying attention to the year.

Ron Paul left the Republican party over mostly over frustration of Reagan and the republican party’s poor handling of deficit and debt.

But it wasn’t Reagan he was running against in 1988.

From Ron Paul letter leaving the Republican party:

Since 1981, however, I have gradually and steadily grown weary of the Republican Party’s efforts to reduce the size of the federal government. Since then Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party have given us skyrocketing deficits, and astoundingly a doubled national debt. How is it that the party of balanced budgets, with control of the White House and Senate, accumulated red ink greater than all previous administrations put together? Tip O’Neill, although part of the problem, cannot alone be blamed.

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Under Reagan, the IRS has grown bigger, richer, more powerful, and more arrogant. In the words of the founders of our country, our government has “sent hither swarms” of tax gatherers “to harass our people and eat out their substance.” His officers jailed the innocent George Hansen, with the President refusing to pardon a great American whose only crime was to defend the Constitution. Reagan’s new tax “reform” gives even more power to the IRS. Far from making taxes fairer or simpler, it deceitfully raises more revenue for the government to waste.

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I want to totally disassociate myself from the policies that have given us unprecedented deficits, massive monetary inflation, indiscriminate military spending, an irrational and unconstitutional foreign policy, zooming foreign aid, the exaltation of international banking, and the attack on our personal liberties and privacy.

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If Ronald Reagan couldn’t or wouldn’t balance the budget, which Republican leader on the horizon can we possibly expect to do so? There is no credibility left for the Republican Party as a force to reduce the size of government. That is the message of the Reagan years.

http://www.thevolunteer.ca/2011/09/ron-pauls-resignation-letter-from-the-republican-party/


130 posted on 09/08/2011 2:00:31 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: trisham
I'm inclined to think that Paul didn't about it but the fact that he didn't rip the guy who placed it a new one and then cut off all association says something.

If I were Perry, I'd get in his face about it too.

Paul always seemed to have rather shady people in his circle.

131 posted on 09/08/2011 2:02:46 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: TexanByBirth

” Says someone too ashamed of his own state to list it on his profile. “

” Touche’ “

Stalkers’ lament.


132 posted on 09/08/2011 2:06:29 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: tarotsailor

Wasn’t supposed to leave a mark, you said:

“”Rick Perry is quite comfortable getting physical””

I asked, what was he a masked wrestler in his other life?

No attack here or was meant. My question is legitimate.

If he has a history of getting physical with people, I’d like to see it.


133 posted on 09/08/2011 2:07:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Tribune7

Agreed. Alex Jones, for one.


134 posted on 09/08/2011 2:08:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: svcw

you’re just what the American people need to keep us right where we’re at. “broke”. people like you who back the status quo make me sick.


135 posted on 09/08/2011 2:11:16 PM PDT by oldindependent
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To: 13Sisters76
I absolutely do not like Ron Paul. I can’t abide his “I’m right and you’re stupid” attitude ...

He does seem to send that message ... a lot. He seems quite often to lecture people about how everything they know is wrong. If you know a guy like that, you probably want to give him a swirly, not elect him as your president.

136 posted on 09/08/2011 2:14:23 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: dragnet2

” “”Rick Perry is quite comfortable getting physical””

I asked, what was he a masked wrestler in his other life?

No attack here or was meant. My question is legitimate.

If he has a history of getting physical with people, I’d like to see it. “

Tired sigh.

Perry is a mature man, and a person who needs to prove his point by an act of physical intimidation is not showing a new personality trait that just hit him that morning while he was shaving. Any implication that Perry has physically assaulted people as part of his public record has nothing to do with what I posted and everything to do with your imagination.

I repeat myself, please read my actual posts before you respond.


137 posted on 09/08/2011 2:26:53 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: oldindependent

Show me where I ever used the “status quo” phrase.
But if you are sick have some tea and go to bed.


138 posted on 09/08/2011 2:29:51 PM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: oldindependent

I agree. The big party favorites, status quo for the insiders, with some telling others, vote for my guy or your a loser/commie, just don’t get it anymore.

That group think crap has been beat to death, with fewer falling for it all the time.


139 posted on 09/08/2011 2:32:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: svcw

Well, if he’s not tired, I am...Out


140 posted on 09/08/2011 2:32:45 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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