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both of a have valid points...I understand the distaste that it leaves in my mouth to say that SS recipients are drawing an 'entitlement' or 'welfare'...its at one point disrespectful, but its also true...

Okay, since we don't seem to be getting anywhere, what would you call it if a person was required to place their own funds into a bank account for between 45 and 50 years, and then they quit work and started drawing out those funds a little at a time? Would you call that an entitlement? No. And this is essentially exactly what people are doing. They paid Social Security with-holding for 45 to 50 years. Now they are drawing those funds out. Is it an entitlement? No, it is every bit as much maintaining the contract that these people adhered to for their entire working lives. They paid in. They draw out. That's how it works.

If you don't like this system, then join me in demanding a change in the system, but seniors are not evil, you are not evil, and when the time comes, I am not going to be evil, simply because I start withdrawing the funds I paid into the system. And when it comes to the point that I draw out more than I put in, I'm going to be very cognizant of the fact that the government did not invest the funds I paid in, didn't accrue one single dime of interest, and there was absolutely nothing I could do about it.

if a gang of mejicans broke down my door tonight and stole everything Ive 'paid into' my retirement, it wouldnt be *right* for me to demand that the rest of the folks in the neighborhood pay my mortgage for me...

Okay, then if you're still working today, you march right into the personnel department and demand they stop with-holding Social Security funds. We'll see how far you get with that. I advise anyone that buys into what your stating here, to do the same thing. Just demand they stop payroll dedcuting Social Security deductions.

prolly a bad example, but Im beyond givin a ratz azz anymore...if ya qualify for the gimme, might as well get it while ya can,and im talking all the goodies at every level of grafternment, cause the bottom has to drop out sooner or later. but please, old folks, just dont bitch and moan that its 'yours' and that you are 'owed' the bennies because somebody stole yer money, and my kids hafta pay for it...

We are all agreed that Medicare, Social Security, and a myriad of other government programs, are very ill advised. That does not mean that people today who are benefitting from these programs are somehow evil. They weren't evil as they paid into these programs for 45 to 50 years. They are not evil now that they are using the programs.

The evil players are the people who set up these programs. They could have opted to keep these programs privatized, but didn't. They could have set up a system that saw citizens become self-insured across the board, not having to pay for medical insurance, vehicle insurance, life insurance, retirement, medicare, and even a good share of their household mortgage interest. So don't state that today's elders are wrong to be taking from a system they paid into. You could just as easily state with accuracy that they were swindled for 45 to 50 years of their life, when they could have had a much better standard of living during their lives, as well as at the end of their lives.

unfortunately, satanic communists designed the system to do this very thing, making a class of people beholden for a scrap of food or medicine...its simply another face of the evil that rules the world...for awhile yet...

Couldn't agree more, but it is the satanic communsits that should be the focus of your attention.

it is the satanic communsits that should be the focus of your attention

well it is, cept that earlier in yer reply you said 'good luck with that' more or less...

now, in tryin to get people on board to help fight the commies, we have to educate em on *why* the system is wrong...and its wrong because its passing the stolen buck...

reforming it to pay back the stolen money, on the backs of my kids is immoral to say the least...

you say they shouldve/couldve spoken up and helped their own cause years ago, yet when i do so, im told to just pay up outta 'fairness' to people i didnt rob...

passin the gubmint pistol to the next generation aint a 'fix'...