Posted on 09/01/2011 5:54:33 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Authorities say a Philadelphia woman found dead in her home had been fatally mauled by her own dogs.
Autopsy results were released Thursday on 50-year-old Carmen Ramos.
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Did they rip 1/2 your face off and chew up your arms and legs or did the nip you and leave 2 drops of blood...
Philly ping.
I’m convinced that the intention of each of the dogs (chihuahua & teacup poodle) was indeed to maul me, if they had been big enough to achieve their aim. These dogs are in separate houses and each lunged at me, leaping off chairs, snarling, with teeth bared. They each did it on more than one occasion. Each time their owners laughed it off because of the size of the dogs; the owners thought the dogs were “cute”. No, they were displaying vicious behavior and their actions would have been dangerous if the dogs were bigger or if I had been a small child.
That was the point of my comment, BTW, that it’s temperament and owner leadership which is imperative. ANY DOG, regardless of size or breed, can be dangerous if the owners don’t take responsibility.
Keep in mind this study comes from Spain, where there are no large pockets of inner city youths who prize dogs not as pets, but as 4-legged weapons. This study leans toward the fact that the attitude of the owner is key to whether the individual dog is aggressive, in many cases.
Banned breeds are no more aggressive than others, new study finds
One of many new reports that can be found on the National Canine Research Council website.
Banned breeds are no more aggressive than others, new study finds
Posted on July 26, 2011
Every study completed to date has found breed specific legislation to be completely ineffective in reducing the incidence of dog bites. Now a study of pet dogs in Spain published in The Journal of Veterinary Behavior, offers new insight into why. The study found that the so called dangerous breeds simply behave no differently from dogs in general when it comes to behaviors likely to lead to biting.
The authors looked for risk factors for various behavior problems as reported by dog owners. They found that dogs identified as belonging to breeds designated as dangerous according to Spanish law were no more likely to behave aggressively toward people or toward other dogs than were dogs of the random group of breeds in the sample.
What the study did find was that the larger the dog (dividing the 232 dogs studied into 3 size categories), the less likely it was to exhibit aggressive behaviors toward people such as barking, growling, snarling lunging, snapping or biting. Large dogs were also less likely to behave fearfully. This is particularly striking with regard to the breeds identified as dangerous according to Spanish law, since most fall into the large dog category and the rest into the medium. Thus they are disproportionately represented within the least aggressive groups the study identified. Another notable aspect of this finding is that it is consistent with a larger study conducted in Canada a decade earlier, (Guy, 2001) suggesting that this inverse relationship between aggression and size may carry over across continents and long periods of time.
In looking at aggression toward their fellow dogs, the study found that gender and age played a role. Males were more likely to show aggression toward other dogs, as were to a small degree, the older dogs in the sample, but dangerous breed identification made no difference.
The researchers conclude simply, that “dogs classified as dangerous do not seem to be more aggressive than the rest.”
Martinez,A.G., Pernas, G.S., Casalta,J.D., Rey,M.L.S., Palomino, L.F,dlC., Risk factors associated with behavioral problems in dogs. Journal of Veterinary Veterinary Behavior (2011) 6, 225-231.
Down, Fido. I'm not a “pit bull propagandist”. I hate the little buggers.
I read about this tragedy when it first came out and filed it under just another “pitbull eats owner to death” story. A couple of days later, I read somewhere that the facts may be in question.
I'm not sure where I ran across it, but this is the story I heard...
Pacifica dog mauling…what really happened?
From the article...
According to residents of the Napora neighborhood, the dog did not maul Darla Napora, “just found out that the woman fell off a ladder and hit her head...husband came home found the dog standing over her...he put the dog out side....it got loose and cops shot the dog...thinking that it had mauled the lady. The dog had blood on it's body because he was trying to nudge her to make her move....”
Darla’s father, Doug Robinson was quoted as saying, “Lets wait for the autopsy I talked to the police and will wait for the professionals to make a decision I have been a police officer and a detective for several years. This is my daughter and I will wait for the evidence.”
Now clearly, this turned out to be a false report from a bad source. Darla was in fact, mauled to death by her own "beloved" pitbull. I don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong. However, I'm not keen on being accused of something I'm not.
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It really is the owner and not the breed.
So now I’m confused - did her pet eat her or did she fall off the ladder?
You can almost make it a mathematical equation:
North Philly + 5 pit bulls + one house =
Oh got it thanks. You are good at math!
Pregnant woman killed by pit bull died from blood loss, shock
Excerpt...
An autopsy on 32-year-old Darla Napora, along with analysis by dog bite experts, also concluded that only one of her two dogs, a 2-year-old male named Gunner, took part in last Thursday's fatal attack.
Good ole Broward Co FL.
It is just that my co-worker of about the correct age ,has a pit bull,and told me of meeting a lady in the park who was “all excited and upset ,and took her dogs away,but his pit bull just wanted to play with the other dogs....”!
Yes. The autopsy proved that the pitbull shot by the police, had attacked and eaten portions of the Pacifica woman. Absolutely no mention of a ladder accident. Her obituary in our local newspaper had mention of her ties and participation in pitbull loving groups.
I agree that the toy dogs have no concept of size. Little dogs think they are huge, but the point is they cannot do the damage of pits or larger breeds. Most dogs give warning before they attack unless they are a running pack of various dogs on the loose...in that case it doesn’t matter what their breeds are they will go after anything they choose.
Can you even imagine the anguish of this family knowing their own dog has ended two lives? It is just heartbreaking
There are certain behaviors that I will never understand. If a pitbull had killed my wife and unborn child, the idea of walking around the neighborhood shooting pitbulls on sight would seem reasonable to me.
That is just all kinds of crazy, but it is Philly.
I can see using it as Sesame Street lesson :-)
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