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Has the Tea Party Set a Trap for Rick Perry in South Carolina? (Amnesty)
The New Republic ^
| September 1, 2011
| Ed Kilgore
Posted on 08/31/2011 9:39:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Oceander
Oh bullshite!!! I’m sick of people like you whining that anyone opposing Perry is supporting obama. That’s a load of crap.
If it gets down to Perry vs Obama I’ll vote Perry, but right now I’d like to see someone else as I am not enamored with Perry as you are.
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posted on
09/01/2011 4:13:42 AM PDT
by
Scotsman will be Free
(11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’d like to ask him if Bi National health insurance would be for Canadian “border dwellers” as well.
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posted on
09/01/2011 4:35:01 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Perry does not favor amnesty for illegal aliens.
He has expressed support for what was formerly termed a Bracero program. That program granted the privilege to aliens to legally and temporarily enter the US to work in seasonal agricultural jobs. When the season was over the Braceros had to return to their own countries.
Pisses me off that Perry’s detractors want to constantly brand him as being in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens. He has not said or done anything in support of making them legal US citizens.
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posted on
09/01/2011 5:03:18 AM PDT
by
octex
To: Texas Eagle
Guest worker programs have been around for decades. Nobody has a problem with that
In technical fields on shore 'guest workers' enable off-shoring the bulk of the work to place where one can live quite well on less than the taxes paid by most Americans.
Approximately 40% of the 40 million+ illegals are visa overstays.
FYI long before the alphabet soup of 'guest worker' visas began under 'free trade' agreements the US had no problem bringing in the 'brightest and the best'.
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posted on
09/01/2011 5:07:22 AM PDT
by
algernonpj
(He who pays the piper . . .)
To: Oceander; South40
Youre promoting nothing of the sort; youre promoting a second term for Barack Obama.
The reason the country is in the sad state it is currently is because of people 'holding their noses' and voting for whatever trash the republican elite support on the ballot. This has allowed to republican party to sidle further and further left. Had McCain won we would be in no better shape - just better window dressing! McCain would have done behind your back what Obama does in your face!
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posted on
09/01/2011 5:12:44 AM PDT
by
algernonpj
(He who pays the piper . . .)
To: Scotsman will be Free
If it gets down to Perry vs Obama Ill vote Perry, but right now Id like to see someone else as I am not enamored with Perry as you are. I don't care much for Perry either. He seems like a lefty GW who's a better actor and can pronounce "nuclear".
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posted on
09/01/2011 5:45:40 AM PDT
by
Caipirabob
( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
To: llandres
I agree. Just to be safe,though, we should elect more Tea Partiers. A little insurance never hurt anyone.
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posted on
09/01/2011 5:50:29 AM PDT
by
Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
To: Java4Jay
I will keep saying it. The Tea Party is ruining itself. They need to back away from all the politicians, in or still out of the race.
Now we have Orin Hatch, John McCain, all using the Tea party.
Who next? Olympia Snowe? Susan Collins? Linseed?
Geesh, no wonder Tea Party is losing steam. That according to latest Rasmussen polling. The independent, grass roots spontaneity is almost gone. Now we have events showcasing politicians.
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posted on
09/01/2011 5:58:33 AM PDT
by
dforest
To: South40; All
Perry for President!!!!!!
....of Mexico !
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posted on
09/01/2011 6:47:06 AM PDT
by
stephenjohnbanker
(God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
To: algernonpj; Liz; South40
” The reason the country is in the sad state it is currently is because of people ‘holding their noses’ and voting for whatever trash the republican elite support on the ballot. This has allowed to republican party to sidle further and further left. Had McCain won we would be in no better shape - just better window dressing! McCain would have done behind your back what Obama does in your face! “
Post of the day!
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posted on
09/01/2011 6:48:49 AM PDT
by
stephenjohnbanker
(God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; Gilbo_3; Oceander; ...
He has, after all, consistently supported a guest-worker programTrue, but so have Palin and Romney. And I think that in itself is bad enough. A guest worker program during a time of painful unemployment?
and a path to citizenship for undocumented workers
That is not so clear. Some may agree with the author without examining the evidence, but listen.
What Perry claims is that he is for some kind of guest worker program without a path to citizenship. 2006: Thats why I support a guest worker program that takes undocumented workers off the black market and legitimizes their economic contributions without providing them citizenship status.
If that statement is true, I believe that it would be very difficult for him to keep "a path to citizenship" from following his "guest worker" program. If he really wanted to make sure that no "path to citizenship" would result, he would need a very carefully crafted immigration bill, with the good will of congress, and we have all seen enough immigration sausage making to guess how that would turn out.
Even if Perry had no intention of allowing a "path to citizenship," we would probably be lucky if a Perry immigration bill failed in congress.
Plus, there is Perry's 2001 statement President Foxs vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexicos citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. With an open border, illegals don't feel compelled to cross it. At a minimum, this is naive. It is a disturbing example of pandering, and it's still on his website.
How about making e-verify mandatory, making sanctuary cities and rogue governors like Duval feel the heat, and trying some good faith enforcement for a change?
To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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posted on
09/01/2011 6:54:07 AM PDT
by
stephenjohnbanker
(God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
To: itsahoot
Just like we have kept the won in line, like he hasnt issued executive orders that all but nullify the current immigration law. I have heard crickets chirp louder than the Republican leadership, on this complete usurpation of the authority of Congress.I called Cornyn and his office said we wants to do something about it, but the problem is we have a rogue POTUS and not enough votes to impeach.
To: Fred
Thanks for the list of links.
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posted on
09/01/2011 7:28:10 AM PDT
by
algernonpj
(He who pays the piper . . .)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
My view is the that Tea Party is amorphous and cannot act.
Individuals might but they are not the “Tea Party”
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posted on
09/01/2011 7:32:14 AM PDT
by
bert
(K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
To: octex
Perry does not favor amnesty for illegal aliens.
He has expressed support for what was formerly termed a Bracero program. That program granted the privilege to aliens to legally and temporarily enter the US to work in seasonal agricultural jobs. When the season was over the Braceros had to return to their own countries.
Pisses me off that Perrys detractors want to constantly brand him as being in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens. He has not said or done anything in support of making them legal US citizens.
Well pisses me off that neither you nor Perry acknowledge that such a program already exists -
H-2 visa for temporary and seasonal workers - number unlimited! Of course there are some nasty encumbrances - minimum wage and working conditions, full taxes, the the horror of filling out an application/sarc
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posted on
09/01/2011 7:40:38 AM PDT
by
algernonpj
(He who pays the piper . . .)
To: stephenjohnbanker
Perry for President!!!!!!
....of Mexico !
I second that! LOL
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posted on
09/01/2011 7:43:26 AM PDT
by
algernonpj
(He who pays the piper . . .)
To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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posted on
09/01/2011 7:47:12 AM PDT
by
algernonpj
(He who pays the piper . . .)
To: Fred
I looked at the link to the FR thread saying that Perry was for "comprehensive immigration reform" in 2006. The article there shows a link to a letter that Perry and 3 other govs supposedly wrote to Hastert, but the link does not work. Do you have a good link to that actual letter?
According to this link, the letter wanted them to do something, but not specifically amnesty. All I can find are comments about the letter.
To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Liz; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE :"
He has, after all, consistently supported a guest-worker program. True, but so have Palin and Romney. And I think that in itself is bad enough. A guest worker program during a time of painful unemployment? "
You have to wonder about anyone that says we need a guest worker program with so many displaced low skilled workers on different forms of public handouts and with very little hope in sight of any real employment for them anytime in the future. No I dont believe that Republicans have a magic solution to our lack of employment no matter what they claim. And Democrats just care about the next election which is why their proposals are all just more handouts.
Maybe the poor unemployed need to take the jobs that RINOs want to give to guest illegal workers.
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posted on
09/01/2011 8:02:35 AM PDT
by
sickoflibs
(Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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