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The American working man slowly fades away
MSNBC ^ | Mike Dorning

Posted on 08/28/2011 11:15:43 PM PDT by Borough Park

Edited on 08/29/2011 6:09:41 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]


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KEYWORDS: american; construction; employer; employment; housing; job; men; plan; realestate; recession; trades; wages; women; work; worker
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To: ffusco

Someone stated, during the recent riots in London, one terrible consequence of war.
Too many of our best and brightest men fight our wars.
They cannot be replaced. Think on the impact on society?
Who will the women marry? Who will father the children?
Who will take charge of the nation?

This is not to insult men to do not fight, but to think on the great loss to the whole nation for all those men needed and gone.

Trace the downgrade of the nation, any nation, and society after a war.

During WWII women went to work and nothing has ever been the same.


61 posted on 08/29/2011 5:42:19 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo

A very interesting post. A hearty AMEN to your simple, but totally accurate, conclusions.


62 posted on 08/29/2011 5:43:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first duty of all: Provide equal protection for the right to life of all innocent persons.)
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To: WestwardHo

The law of unintended consequences.


63 posted on 08/29/2011 5:44:12 AM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: WestwardHo
If you want to have a happy life believe God is who He says He is, fight for your family, resist the culture, love what is good, be good to your neighbor, love your country. Remember, life is short, pack it full of good deeds, hard work and happy memories.

An outstanding philosophy for LIVING!

64 posted on 08/29/2011 5:46:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first duty of all: Provide equal protection for the right to life of all innocent persons.)
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To: Borough Park

MSNBC contributed to this. Now they write about it like it’s a problem?


65 posted on 08/29/2011 5:49:19 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: ffusco
FWIW, I agree. Sure, the WWII’ers slipped up on all sorts of things social and political and, heck, their parents, the WWI’ers blew it by not slamming the door on “intellectuals” and their love affair with the Soviet revolution. There's plenty of blame for every generation for all sorts of things and mainly because were faulty human beings. The main thing is for each generation to identify and stop evil (in one of it's many guises) for the duration of it's watch. On this count, however, the boomers (my own g-g-generation) have not only blown it, they've built alters to evil in every high place they could.

Now, having said that, let me qualify. There ARE plenty of hard-working, solid and patriotic Americans in the boomer generation (please lower your hackles) and they have brought honor (even in failing times) to themselves. On the whole, though, our generation, it's leadership and it's “movers and shakers” have been post-modern secular idiots; in short, the identifying character of our generation was, is, and always will be that of a self-serving collection of clueless Marxist dolts. All charges made in the opening post are true and boomers have delighted in the destruction of this country with glee like Russian soldiers in 1945 Berlin.

If you don't count yourself in the above classification, great. Welcome to the post-American world forged by the rest of the imbeciles in our g-g-generation.

Oh, BTW, peace.

66 posted on 08/29/2011 5:49:19 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Niuhuru
WHY does someone have to get a degree in that?

Because journalism has become a "soft science." There are journalistic techniques to bringing down Republican administrations...just as there are techniques for covering and obfuscating misdeeds of a Democratic administration.

67 posted on 08/29/2011 5:50:30 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Borough Park

It’s a bleak assessment, one I’m sure is in great degree borne out in the many statistics the writer trots out.

But I do sense a bit of a disconnect from the real world here. Individuals are not statistics, they’re people.


68 posted on 08/29/2011 5:53:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first duty of all: Provide equal protection for the right to life of all innocent persons.)
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To: Borough Park

“The long-term fix is simple to spell out and tough to achieve: getting more men to attend college and improving the skills of those who don’t.”

Gee! Another approach would be for them all to ask for a raise! :)

I love the way these clowns assume that if all guys had better education tomorrow, they’d all suddenly get better jobs and make more money.

Apparently there are lots of great jobs out there just hanging around unfilled....

What BS.


69 posted on 08/29/2011 5:55:56 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: ffusco
It was the Boomers that made drug use, promiscuity, divorce, co-habitation, single parenthood socially acceptable and gave us the “Me Generation” of the 80’s.

You must not have heard of the "Beatnik Generation". And it was the Great Society welfare programs passed in 1965 by the GG that paid single mothers with children enough to live on, and that ushered in single parenthood and the absence of fathers, and the still growing out-of-wedlock birthrate.

Sexual promiscuity was never as rare as some want to believe, and the birth control pill which became available in the mid-'60s is more responsible for changes in sexual behavior than anything else. That was hardly generational behavior as the first customers for the new pills would have been non-boomer adults of the 1960s.

The programs passed in 1965 that paid women to have children out-of-wedlock, and the birth control pill brought about the changes you mention, not the boomer generation.

And Rock-and-Roll, teenage rebellion and juvenile delinquency also preceded the boomers.

70 posted on 08/29/2011 5:59:56 AM PDT by Will88
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To: DRey

Yes, it would be interesting to see an analysis of this type between union states and right to work states.

The aim of this article seems to be that of persuading people that more government spending is needed for education.


71 posted on 08/29/2011 6:03:03 AM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: DRey

The days you could just graduate HS and get a factory job are gone, now you are lucky if you get a burger flipper job.

TN is a right to work state, no state income tax, and we still have the same unemployment rate as the more liberal states. Only exception is Memphis where UE is 12.1% and youth it’s 24% as of the last news burb I heard. People are fleeing Memphis in droves, not only because of the bad schools, and high property taxes, but because crooked dems control the entire county now.


72 posted on 08/29/2011 6:07:17 AM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: Borough Park

I wonder what the men will do once the women take over all of the men’s jobs?


73 posted on 08/29/2011 6:09:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: GailA

I hate to hear that. My daughter was born in Memphis. We loved it there. Well, Germantown. The problem with TN is that it’s the upper South. Didn’t quite get “cleared” in the Great Migration of its socialist block voters. : [


74 posted on 08/29/2011 6:12:29 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Will88

The Beatniks were a fringe group, hardly representative of the culture of the mainstream. They did pioneer irresponsible, anti-social behavior, but the true masters were the boomers. The policies of the great society were intended to address perceived and actual inequities of institutionalized racism and poverty. The disastrous effects of those policies were not apparent until much later.


75 posted on 08/29/2011 6:14:24 AM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: cynwoody
We need a new name for the first Monday in September ....

How about "May Day"?
It works at so many levels.
76 posted on 08/29/2011 6:26:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Will88

“Most changes began before most boomers could even vote. They were simply in their youth as the GG began changing many traditions and institutions. Boomers were never in most positions of authority until the mid-’80s to the early ‘90s. The changes had been taking place long before then.

SCOTUS handed down the Rowe vs. Wade in 1973. How did the boomer SCOTUS justices vote on that? How many voted for the War on Poverty in 1965? That’s when much of the deterioration began. The oldest boomers were 20 in 1965.”
“The Immigration Reform Act of 1965 brought in multitudes of unskilled Democrat voters from third world countries.”


You all realize, of course, that none of the generations after the GG repealed any of this stuff. There is just as much, if not more blame, that should go on the generations after the GG since AFTER 1965 is when everything got out of control. Although it is true that the GG gave us Social Security and Medicare, the GG Social Security and Medicare only cost $165.00 a year as a maximum. It was today’s generation that increased SS from $165.00 a year to $16,000.00 a year.

Every generation who does not repeal all those bad Democratic programs, are to blame.


77 posted on 08/29/2011 6:35:16 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: CGalen
Every generation who does not repeal all those bad Democratic programs, are to blame.

Maybe you'd like to provide the reading audience with a list a past government programs that have ever been repealed?

And the boomers who got control of Congress in the 1990s did reform some of the welfare programs passed by earlier generations.

You're kidding yourself about many things and are really just pretending that any generation can just undo what was done by earlier generations. But more conservative political thought, and more conservative officer holders have come from boomers than from preceding generations.

There was an active communist movement in this nation between the world wars, and that is what really burst forth during the '60s to take advantage of the political turmoil of that era.

78 posted on 08/29/2011 7:33:29 AM PDT by Will88
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To: ffusco
The Beatniks were a fringe group, hardly representative of the culture of the mainstream.

The Beatniks were sort of like the first obscure rappers and hip hop performers.

79 posted on 08/29/2011 7:42:56 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Borough Park
Our globalism chickens are coming home to roost,

"The economic downturn exacerbated forces that have long been undermining men in the workplace, says Lawrence Katz, a Harvard professor of labor economics. Corporations have cut costs by moving manufacturing jobs, routine computer programming, and even simple legal work out of the country. The production jobs that remain are increasingly mechanized and demand higher skills. Technology and efforts to reduce the number of layers within corporations are leaving fewer middle-management jobs. "

The American worker and American business have been placed in an untenable position - competing with global corporations that access third world countries that lack even minimal standards regarding the environment, the work place, and quality control - where one can live well on $5,000 - $10,000 / year ... all for quarterly profits and world wide redistribution of the wealth of the American middle class.
80 posted on 08/29/2011 8:11:38 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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