NCLR, you know, these people...
Posted on 08/26/2011 5:07:22 PM PDT by PROCON
Except the one who will not close his border....and caters to 'special treatment for Muslims'. Nope NO PERRY!
His first responsibility as Pres. would be the security of our nation against foreign invasion...Perry invites it and enables it in his state... I see no reason to think he'll do otherwise for our nation....though he's trying hard to "talk a good talk".
NCLR, you know, these people...
Yes. He’s a smart man.
I see, you think kissing up to La Raza is smart.
That makes you a traitor.
I see, you think kissing up to La Raza is smart.
You obviously have no idea how politics is played.
Lets consider your plan. La Raza calls and you curse them out as traitors and racists and slam down the phone. Who do you think gets the next phone call? If you guessed the Enemedia, you are right. Whose story is going to get printed and played over the air? And do you think that the spurned La Raza group is going to dial down the rhetoric, or are you going to be described as the next living breathing Hitler?
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. - Sun Tzu
Illegals paying less than other Americans.
That is plain wrong.
Indeed I do. "The way politics is played" is exactly why we are in this mess.
Lets consider your plan. La Raza calls and you curse them out as traitors and racists and slam down the phone.
That's not my plan. That's your projection. The rest of your bogus post is your fantasy as built upon that dishonest projection.
You're not even a good job of it either. Your fantasy presupposes that the public at large cares what the media says compared to their desire to get rid of illegal aliens. Hence, I would LOVE to hear the media scream about my actual plan, as free PR letting the public know that I am doing what they want is exactly what I want. That is how Reagan "used" the media.
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. - Sun Tzu
So, are you calling La Raza enemies? Let's "call the ENEMEDIA"!!!
Idiot. You either don't know what the context of Sun Tzu's maxim is about or, if you do, you are portraying it dishonestly. Under no circumstances are "enemies in our midst" a good thing.
Perry better start raising serious money for better help or the grass roots is going to kill him. As things are now, Perry is enjoying public ignorance about his real record, which won't last long I promise you. Your buddies in the media won't be able to keep that "fire-breathing conservative" fantasy about him going for long.
Carry? Are you all right? That was not my post. Don’t put words in my mouth like you do Perry, please.
What part of “in-state” vs. “out-of-state” do you not understand? That means there are “many Americans” (from the other 49 states) who will have to pay more than Texans to attend Texas schools. Out-of-state tuition for those who do not live in Texas has been the norm for decades.
Illegals are not Texans.
Get that through your RINO head.
P.S. I am not defending Gov. Perry’s decision. I just want everyone to know what it is - and what it is not. The children of illegal immigrants who were born here pay “in-state” tuition. They pay it; we do not pay it for them. It is “in-state” vs. “out-of-state.” Students from the other 49 states pay “out-of-state” tuition, and have for decades. I disagree with his decision - but I will disagree with him on what it actually is - not a fabrication or falsehood.
See my other reply. It would help if you know the facts about which you are posting.
You can apologize to me for your snarky remark.
Why do you think there is a difference between "in-state" and "out-of-state" tuition?
Is it because a) "in-state" tuition is less than the actual cost of that student's education
or b) "out-of-state" tuition exceeds the actual cost of the education and the government is making money off the deal?
If you correctly chose a), who do you think pays the difference?
My understanding is that “in-state” is the actual cost and that “out-of-state” is more than actual cost. This is the only scenario that makes sense. Texas universities are for Texans and those who are from out of state pay for the privilege to attend our schools.
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Therein lies the basis for the disagreement. You are incorrect on all counts.
"In state" tuition is subsidized, to the tune of about $6,000 per student. That subsidy is paid for by taxpayers. The theory is that it is good to have an educated citizenry, for the greater good and all that jazz. So, by mandating that "in-state tuition" will apply to illegal aliens, Perry (and those who support the action) are mandating that the earnings of hardworking, taxpaying American citizens be used to subsidize the tuition of non-citizens, non-Americans. Take that $6,000 amount and multiply it by thousands of illegal alien students taking advantage of Perry's 'generosity' and you end up with tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars going to illegal aliens. When a whole lot of Americans are out of work and/or pinching pennies to take care of their own family, Government actions like this produce anger and frustration. That supporters of this policy have the gall to then call these law-abiding, tax-paying citizens racist or some other baseless perjorative only makes the issue worse.
Out of state tuition amounts more closely approach the real cost of that education -- but even that is subsidized somewhat by the taxpayer.
The bottom line shows how ridiculous this policy is from a 'follow the law' perspective: Texas is subsidizing the education of non-American illegal aliens who cannot even work in this country legally. How does that make any sense?
So tell me how you, a resident of California, know so much about how Texas calculates the “real cost of education?” Do you have an inside track to the Comptroller’s Office?
Please provide a link to the source of your information.
Most states subsidize higher education with taxpayer dollars. Texas is not unique in that regard. One does not need an "inside track to the Comptroller’s Office" -- just read articles on the subject. Opposition to giving illegal aliens the benefit of subsidized tuition rates is also not unique to Texas. I suggest reading the rationale of those opposition groups to understand where the anger is coming from.
Here's a link from a bill to repeal Perry's generous law allowing illegal aliens to be considered legal residents for purposes of tuition. It indicates that $23 million of taxpayer dollars have gone to subsidize these students. Given the amount paid by the students, this analysis indicates illegal alien students are paying for less than 30% of their education expenses with the taxpayer picking up the tab for the rest.
SB 1631, Birdwell, Bill Analysis
Under current law, public institutions of higher education provide reduced resident tuition rates for some students who are not lawfully present in the state. Considering the current budget shortfall, added with the fact that these students will not be eligible for legal employment in the United States upon graduation, the state could better allocate these resources. In December 2010, the House Research Organization issued a report that estimated, based on figures from the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board (THECB), that "the state allocated about $23.6 million in direct aid for these students in fiscal 2009, including funding allocated to institutions and financial aid," whereas these students only "paid a net total of about $9.5 million out of pocket for higher education in fiscal 2009." --snip--
To quote you, "You can apologize to me for your snarky remark."
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