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APNewsBreak: Perry bills feds for housing illegals
AP ^ | Aug. 26, 2011 | APRIL CASTRO

Posted on 08/26/2011 5:07:22 PM PDT by PROCON

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Texas Gov. Rick Perry has asked the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for nearly $350 million to cover the costs incurred detaining illegal immigrants in state prisons and county jails. In a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Perry criticized the federal government hasn't been doing enough to secure the border with Mexico, thereby allowing illegal immigrants to enter the U.S. and use taxpayer-funded resources, including prisons and jails. It's a claim the Republican governor has made many times before.

The letter was dated Aug. 10, three days before Perry formally announced he is running for president.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012election; amnesty; cost; govtabuse; illegal; illegalaliens; laraza; maldef; openborders; perrito; perrytards; ricardo; rickperry; rinofreeamerica; texas; tyranny
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To: Nicojones
any one of them will be a huge improvement over the Communist in Chief.

Except the one who will not close his border....and caters to 'special treatment for Muslims'. Nope NO PERRY!

His first responsibility as Pres. would be the security of our nation against foreign invasion...Perry invites it and enables it in his state... I see no reason to think he'll do otherwise for our nation....though he's trying hard to "talk a good talk".

121 posted on 08/27/2011 10:54:30 AM PDT by caww
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To: DRey
I have known him all my life and was talking to my mother about what people are saying about him lately. She said, “You know, that’s one thing about Rick. He will always say what he means and mean what he says.”

NCLR, you know, these people...


122 posted on 08/27/2011 11:29:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

Yes. He’s a smart man.


123 posted on 08/27/2011 11:48:16 AM PDT by DRey
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To: DRey
Yes. He’s a smart man.

I see, you think kissing up to La Raza is smart.

That makes you a traitor.

124 posted on 08/27/2011 11:55:22 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie
A traitor? Really? Okie-dokie then, Carry. I don't think that's what I said, but whatever.

Some people would argue that getting a handle and a level of control over that terrorist group would be a good thing. Also, not alienating Hispanic voters that are required for Republicans to be elected.... Yes. He's a smart man, and fearless.
125 posted on 08/27/2011 11:59:31 AM PDT by DRey
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To: Carry_Okie
I see, you think kissing up to La Raza is smart.

You obviously have no idea how politics is played.

Lets consider your plan. La Raza calls and you curse them out as traitors and racists and slam down the phone. Who do you think gets the next phone call? If you guessed the Enemedia, you are right. Whose story is going to get printed and played over the air? And do you think that the spurned La Raza group is going to dial down the rhetoric, or are you going to be described as the next living breathing Hitler?

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. - Sun Tzu

126 posted on 08/27/2011 12:01:06 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: nanetteclaret

Illegals paying less than other Americans.

That is plain wrong.


127 posted on 08/27/2011 12:31:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: The Theophilus; DRey
You obviously have no idea how politics is played.

Indeed I do. "The way politics is played" is exactly why we are in this mess.

Lets consider your plan. La Raza calls and you curse them out as traitors and racists and slam down the phone.

That's not my plan. That's your projection. The rest of your bogus post is your fantasy as built upon that dishonest projection.

You're not even a good job of it either. Your fantasy presupposes that the public at large cares what the media says compared to their desire to get rid of illegal aliens. Hence, I would LOVE to hear the media scream about my actual plan, as free PR letting the public know that I am doing what they want is exactly what I want. That is how Reagan "used" the media.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. - Sun Tzu

So, are you calling La Raza enemies? Let's "call the ENEMEDIA"!!!

Idiot. You either don't know what the context of Sun Tzu's maxim is about or, if you do, you are portraying it dishonestly. Under no circumstances are "enemies in our midst" a good thing.

Perry better start raising serious money for better help or the grass roots is going to kill him. As things are now, Perry is enjoying public ignorance about his real record, which won't last long I promise you. Your buddies in the media won't be able to keep that "fire-breathing conservative" fantasy about him going for long.

128 posted on 08/27/2011 12:36:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

Carry? Are you all right? That was not my post. Don’t put words in my mouth like you do Perry, please.


129 posted on 08/27/2011 12:41:04 PM PDT by DRey
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To: GeronL

What part of “in-state” vs. “out-of-state” do you not understand? That means there are “many Americans” (from the other 49 states) who will have to pay more than Texans to attend Texas schools. Out-of-state tuition for those who do not live in Texas has been the norm for decades.


130 posted on 08/27/2011 12:52:26 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret

Illegals are not Texans.

Get that through your RINO head.


131 posted on 08/27/2011 12:54:37 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

P.S. I am not defending Gov. Perry’s decision. I just want everyone to know what it is - and what it is not. The children of illegal immigrants who were born here pay “in-state” tuition. They pay it; we do not pay it for them. It is “in-state” vs. “out-of-state.” Students from the other 49 states pay “out-of-state” tuition, and have for decades. I disagree with his decision - but I will disagree with him on what it actually is - not a fabrication or falsehood.


132 posted on 08/27/2011 12:56:31 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: GeronL

See my other reply. It would help if you know the facts about which you are posting.

You can apologize to me for your snarky remark.


133 posted on 08/27/2011 12:59:51 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret; GeronL
The children of illegal immigrants who were born here pay “in-state” tuition. They pay it; we do not pay it for them. It is “in-state” vs. “out-of-state.” Students from the other 49 states pay “out-of-state” tuition, and have for decades.

Why do you think there is a difference between "in-state" and "out-of-state" tuition?

Is it because a) "in-state" tuition is less than the actual cost of that student's education
or b) "out-of-state" tuition exceeds the actual cost of the education and the government is making money off the deal?

If you correctly chose a), who do you think pays the difference?

134 posted on 08/27/2011 1:43:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: calcowgirl

My understanding is that “in-state” is the actual cost and that “out-of-state” is more than actual cost. This is the only scenario that makes sense. Texas universities are for Texans and those who are from out of state pay for the privilege to attend our schools.


135 posted on 08/27/2011 6:44:41 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: SoConPubbie
Sarah would never have done that

Sarah would have never

Conjecture

136 posted on 08/28/2011 9:34:42 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: nanetteclaret
My understanding is that “in-state” is the actual cost and that “out-of-state” is more than actual cost. This is the only scenario that makes sense. Texas universities are for Texans and those who are from out of state pay for the privilege to attend our schools.

Therein lies the basis for the disagreement. You are incorrect on all counts.

"In state" tuition is subsidized, to the tune of about $6,000 per student. That subsidy is paid for by taxpayers. The theory is that it is good to have an educated citizenry, for the greater good and all that jazz. So, by mandating that "in-state tuition" will apply to illegal aliens, Perry (and those who support the action) are mandating that the earnings of hardworking, taxpaying American citizens be used to subsidize the tuition of non-citizens, non-Americans. Take that $6,000 amount and multiply it by thousands of illegal alien students taking advantage of Perry's 'generosity' and you end up with tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars going to illegal aliens. When a whole lot of Americans are out of work and/or pinching pennies to take care of their own family, Government actions like this produce anger and frustration. That supporters of this policy have the gall to then call these law-abiding, tax-paying citizens racist or some other baseless perjorative only makes the issue worse.

Out of state tuition amounts more closely approach the real cost of that education -- but even that is subsidized somewhat by the taxpayer.

The bottom line shows how ridiculous this policy is from a 'follow the law' perspective: Texas is subsidizing the education of non-American illegal aliens who cannot even work in this country legally. How does that make any sense?

137 posted on 08/28/2011 3:56:37 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: calcowgirl

So tell me how you, a resident of California, know so much about how Texas calculates the “real cost of education?” Do you have an inside track to the Comptroller’s Office?

Please provide a link to the source of your information.


138 posted on 08/28/2011 5:39:11 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret
So tell me how you, a resident of California, know so much about how Texas calculates the “real cost of education?” Do you have an inside track to the Comptroller’s Office? Please provide a link to the source of your information.

Most states subsidize higher education with taxpayer dollars. Texas is not unique in that regard. One does not need an "inside track to the Comptroller’s Office" -- just read articles on the subject. Opposition to giving illegal aliens the benefit of subsidized tuition rates is also not unique to Texas. I suggest reading the rationale of those opposition groups to understand where the anger is coming from.

Here's a link from a bill to repeal Perry's generous law allowing illegal aliens to be considered legal residents for purposes of tuition. It indicates that $23 million of taxpayer dollars have gone to subsidize these students. Given the amount paid by the students, this analysis indicates illegal alien students are paying for less than 30% of their education expenses with the taxpayer picking up the tab for the rest.

SB 1631, Birdwell, Bill Analysis

Under current law, public institutions of higher education provide reduced resident tuition rates for some students who are not lawfully present in the state. Considering the current budget shortfall, added with the fact that these students will not be eligible for legal employment in the United States upon graduation, the state could better allocate these resources. In December 2010, the House Research Organization issued a report that estimated, based on figures from the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board (THECB), that "the state allocated about $23.6 million in direct aid for these students in fiscal 2009, including funding allocated to institutions and financial aid," whereas these students only "paid a net total of about $9.5 million out of pocket for higher education in fiscal 2009." --snip--

To quote you, "You can apologize to me for your snarky remark."

139 posted on 08/29/2011 6:04:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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